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Why Asians can’t break through the ‘bamboo ceiling’
Why Rebel Wilson making a K-pop movie could be problematic

Why Asians can’t break through the ‘bamboo ceiling’

Welcome to another week of LEMON. This week we discuss:

  • Rebel Wilson has announced she’s making a movie about K-pop and Asian Twitter is NOT HAPPY.
  • The synopsis: “Seoul Girls,”follows a Korean American high school girl and her friends who enter a worldwide talent competition, which seeks the opening act for the world’s biggest K-pop boy band.The girls will get help from “an ex-member of a British girl group and a former K-pop trainee” to “find their voices on the world’s biggest stage.”
  • With only one Asian screenwriter attached to the movie so far – could this further stereotype Asian people in mainstream media?

And

  • Is being Asian holding you back from work promotions by default? We discuss the recent article by the ABC about how Asian-Australians and Asian-Americans are struggling to break through the ‘bamboo ceiling’
  • Bamboo ceiling is similar to ‘glass ceiling’ for women, which refers to the idea about the invisible barriers through which Asian people can see managerial positions but cannot reach them.

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[00:00:09] Hello, hello, hello and welcome to the LEMON Show. The show what m.i.a.’s are talking about. My name is Suntanned and unfiled Kids coming up today on the show. Hollywood actress Rebel Wilson has announced that she’s making a movie about K-pop and agents. What it is not happy? And how do Asian people break through the bamboo ceiling? But first, how is your week feel? It’s been all right. Has always been. I’m feeling a lot better. I’m not sick. Yeah, we’re not sick anymore. Thankfully, we have recovered 100 percent.

[00:00:35] But what have you done this week? I haven’t done much to 60 on us. This week I’m gonna have like another you know, how I go through like a serious mental breakdown. I feel like this week especially, I felt another mental back is coming at least today or tomorrow. Is it because of music? No. How hard is it? Cause music is like one of those careers. We got to be really patient. It’s like it’s not like a daytime job. We just go and just expect to get a promotion.

[00:00:57] It’s very different because it’s like, you know, when you go to university. Yeah, it’s when we go study. We can physically get out to be tangible. And the results are like instant. It’s instant, you see. Every semester, every six months or three months. Where are you going that you’re going to it’s like you’re going to receive something. Grades, people doing it with you. But music at such a party that it’s so unsure. Was it anything you expected like this? It was not, to be honest by now that I really have like a hit someone the bill 100 thing on us. It’s been a year since you like. John has been. I haven’t received any income yet, but I haven’t lost any hope. I just need to go to another man. Mental breakdown. I’ll be okay.

[00:01:36] And you get one every three months. Take you for one. You not much sleep. I just been really busy at work. It’s it’s always Christmas. So it’s catering season. So lots of waiting orders, lots of corporate order, a lot of give boxes. But you got to open your Christmas Day number closer Christmas Day and then we’re gonna be open for a few days after Christmas Day. And then one of our stores or a couple of our stores are closed. But I’ll be working throughout Christmas and New Year’s and going to China. Oh, are you with me? Yes.

[00:02:05] Why are you surprised? I’m going to China.

[00:02:08] So we’re gonna go to peanuts in this city cause I’m peanuts. Filkin being racist space. Ka ching ching. Right? Yeah, I think it’s just not like Chongqing and it’s not like ching ching ching chong ages. And then we’re gonna see Hindus as well. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah. Oh yeah. Don’t think that I’m looking forward to when I go. China is just the food and the massages. Yes. Well that diva. No it’s having an hour trip because I’ve done all the planning. He has another idea what’s gonna happen. Itinerary. Yes. We go to our first segment today. We should. I’m the best singer in Tasmania with teeth.

[00:02:42] Love it. What’s your name? That Amy. You call yourself Fat Amy? Yes. Tweet bitches like you and go behind my back. Can you read music? Yes. Can you match pitch? Try me.

[00:03:10] So feel. Oh, I see. Actress Webber Wilson. I love, by the way, has announced that she’s making a movie about K-pop and Asians. What is it? Habit. So what’s what’s going on? Well, first of all, art, can I just say I’m obsessive rebels. And sometimes when I’m at home, I just like sit and watch her interviews on Ellen stuff. You know, actually, that’s your lawyer as well. Yeah. She’s a lawyer. She’s from Sydney. So the whole like she did the studying thing to become an actress. So it’s like it’s like us. Really? Like us. Yeah. Yeah. So what’s going on within a K-pop industry and rebels?

[00:03:41] Well, so last week, rebels announced that she’s making a move at K-pop could. So girls, it’s coming out in Hollywood. It can be done by a big production company called Lionsgate has done like some of the biggest movies yet. But after Cher now said this, there was mixed reactions because people worried that with Hollywood making a move at K-pop is going to further exaggerate stereotypes, stereotypes of Asian people in Suffolk there. But let me read you a synopsis, because it’s something that honestly sounds pretty good movie. I’d want to watch it. But let’s read through it. So the movie is about a Korean-American high school girl and her friend who enters a worldwide talent competition, who is seeking an opening act. And the world’s biggest for the bit was because K-pop band The Girls will get help from an ex member of a British girl group and a former K-pop trainee to find their voices on the world’s biggest stage. So the script has been revised by a Korean-American script writer called Jong Il Kim, who has worked on like it shows called Bill in and the Hillary Clinton biopic Rotten Burnam Billion. Other Asian has actually been attached to a show yet except for him, and he’s only just revising the script. Bigger Asian Twist has really strong feelings about this hold up. So there’s only one Asian person who’s overseeing this. Everybody else so far, so far said the reaction has been like, you know, what is rebel Wilson know about the K-pop community or what is really doesn’t know about Asian people. So the debate at the moment is desirable. Wilson, even like is she a representative of our community in us? How do you feel about this? Do you think that this is going to further stereotype our community or the Cape Pick K-pop community or what do you reckon? Because it has a bad rap already for being crazy. Insane.

[00:05:24] So, yeah, well, it’s I didn’t know anything about this movie, to be honest. It’s just been announced that Rebel Wilson is starring in a K-pop. Who knows? It might paint this kind of light that it may shed some good parts about Asian and Asian ism and being Asian. But we don’t know too much. We’re just going based on what we heard. But again, it sounds like you know how we have that. What’s that? Matt Damon movie where he was in a samurai, the samurai. Well, we’ll try to look at what China is. And Tom Cruise’s in the samurai. It’s like it feels like the direction that they’re going. And the reason why Twitter is upset is because they’re casting this white person in an Asian film to kind of be the hero. Yes.

[00:06:05] So there there is a narrative in Hollywood about the white saviour narrative, which is the idea of like every movie needs to have a white heroic person to say it. So, for example, like you mentioned, Tom Cruise. I’ve seen that movie. I’m sure he has a save for that movie. Yeah. Then there’s a movie about the Great Wall of China called the Great Wall. Right, featuring Matt Damon. And so that movie was I think was that story of what was going to be best from like a thousand years ago. But yet somehow they managed to insert Matt Damon as a white character to save China. Which is crazy. And then. Yes. So I don’t know people why this movie will be whitewashed. Like, for example, they I get Scarlett Johansson to star in as a Korean-American girl.

[00:06:47] So, yeah, that is the idea at the moment.

[00:06:50] So the storyline where it’s come from and I think it’s great that Hollywood is funny and realizing that there’s more money to be made in Asian stories, Asian stories. It’s great. But should rebel Wilson be inserting herself into the movie? Should that should the main character of this movie be getting help or being saved by a white Caucasian girl? Oh, character.

[00:07:14] Look, we didn’t know too much about this movie just yet. Who knows? Revenues may just play that kind of quirky, funny girl who just be like a best friend’s property that she normally does play. And they could cost another. They could cost pretty much nearly majority Asian people in this movie. Crazy shit. I can’t imagine. Yeah. And really led that movement. But.

[00:07:31] I don’t think rebel Wilson will be dumb enough to play a role that takes away important things, I think, because because, you know, she’s a type person that, you know, when she was being blasted by the media that they’ll right.

[00:07:43] Writing horrible things which are unsure about her and they’ll write right. Like one word or her line at her age of her age and everything. It’s like she took that to court and she fought against it. And someone who’s a lawyer who has such an educated background. It doesn’t seem like that’s the type of person the reporting will be.

[00:08:00] Yeah. Do you think she realizes like this is an opportunity for Asian people to actually have a moment? Do you think she’s going to give a moment to Asian actors and actresses?

[00:08:10] I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Asian directors, I’ve been so focussed so well, so far. There’s only one guy who’s only looking over the script.

[00:08:17] He hasn’t even read the script. He just looked over to make sure there’s no like cultural mistakes in there. This is like what we’re taught, you know?

[00:08:24] Rupaul And after his Emmy win, he scores for those who don’t know what report who report is, he is the drag queen or them once that behind RuPaul’s Drag Race. And he got in trouble, not trouble, but he got a bit of media attention when after the Emmys, they had that kind of interview with lot of people that can ask questions. But someone pointed out, why are all the people working behind you? Why, yes. Why isn’t any black, you know, writing a script?

[00:08:51] And the reason is and the reason why it’s really important to have like I guess like people of colour working on these films is because it’s a story about that. But our story. Right. So we want it to be representative of who we are and of our community. So, for example, the story is meant to be about opening like an opening act for K-pop concert. Like there’s already one thing that’s wrong about this movie where where that K-pop courses actually took have opening acts. Oh, yeah. That’s already a wrong. It’s like she’s already like effed up already. Why don’t have why did they have opening acts? I don’t know. I just think people when people go to concerts want to see that. I didn’t want to be seeing someone else, you know. That’s when that’s a black pink. There was no opening address. Yeah, I see. So. So if she could get this minor detail right. Should we be worried that she’s gonna go out and wear who she repertoires rebels and the people whose working this movie. A rapper wasn’t isn’t in charge of her production company. What Lionsgate knows, she’s on like making a movie. So I hope she’s a production company. Lionsgate is the one that’s gonna be distributing the movie. What were hot, hot, hot, hot up, rather? Wilson is pretty much producing this movie. She’s not just starring in it as an actress. She’s starring in it. But then she rebel Wilson, who also has a production company. So she makes movies as well. And then she she makes a deal with, like, for example, Lionsgate, who’s distributing company.

[00:10:12] They distribute the Minitel via Interestings a lot, actually. Yeah. I thought because it sounds like from the story that I read that she was just the, you know, the girl who just cosset in the movie.

[00:10:23] No, she she’s she’s is I think I was one of like she’s one the people who came up with the idea. I think she’s also inserting a self into the movie. I see. Yes. So I don’t know. Like I’m I’m a bit worried that they’re going to, for example, play into the stereotype of a Korean-American girl who’s shy reserve, who’s nerdy, geeky, you know, who has really strict parents who know parents want to study maths only. So I don’t know. There are some things to be concerned. But I think if she takes on this criticism and actually hires, nomination’s the person who can write the script for her, but just revise it, actually write the script and have input into it. Maybe get an Asian director to get the cultural things right. Like there are some things that aren’t that different in Asian cultures compared to Western and American culture. So yeah, be really great if they got that. But yeah, I I will sing about it.

[00:11:18] You know, have you realize like a lot of movies these days have a lot of Chinese actors and I was going to ask you, this is a power play on Rebel Wilson or perhaps try to get into the Asian market? Yes, 100 percent. Because like we mentioned, like you said, like there’s money in Asian entertainment right now. I look like look at the statistics, huh? China’s movie industry is worth 11 billion dollars. Hollywood is only worth 12 billion. Are we a billion dollar in a pie?

[00:11:42] And China’s expect to take over Hollywood at its shark pace. And the reason why we’re seeing so many diff like so many Chinese actors, so many Chinese entertainers in these movies and why the movies I filmed in China is because China has strict policies on how rules and how people get to try to ensure their films, because any day they except like a handful of films. So last year, I think takes about 38. So it’s very strict. So unless you have a co-production, so you had to have a Chinese company working on the movie and have Chinese actors and actresses. China’s portrayed good in the U.S. in the movies. They can be portrayed as a villain. So if you cross all of those, your movie can get shown in China. If not, then it will either have a very limited release or it won’t make it to the. So less censorship.

[00:12:32] So I think be really cool, I think over the next 10 years we’re going to see a lot of things change in Hollywood because I think China kind of has like Hollywood bites in that.

[00:12:44] Yeah. Do you think we’re going to start seeing a lot of like Chinese and Asian movies in the next two years in Hollywood, even in the music industry is going to have 100 percent print as well.

[00:12:52] So I reckon in the next. Like you said, five, 10 years. The what we know now about the industry is going to change so fast. And we’re progressing as a human race so quickly. Technology is picking up so fast.

[00:13:03] Yeah, just some other calls to statistics here. So did you know the industry’s with $5 billion in sales in 2018? It’s all out from PTSD. Beetus okay. I do have some statistics about PTSD. So it beats us. This year has made 57 million dollars already. That’s crazy. That’s up there with Taylor Swift and everything. But yeah, I’ll be I’m really excited to see what it’s gonna be like for Asian people the next 10 years. I think there’s so much so much is going to change for us. And yeah, and we’re in a world where it’s like post crazy, rich Asian women.

[00:13:36] And so even if you look at the record record labels now, they want to sign Asian artists. Montse Xs, I saw this signed by Epic Records. So random. Yeah. Beecher’s it probably gonna be probably sung by a big division in USA as well. So everybody is trying to tap into the Asian market really quickly.

[00:13:51] And we watch Charlie’s Angels and Chris pangas. He says Australia is an Australian. Yeah, it’s so cool to see so many Asian people consider Hollywood movies and it was cool. They let him have his Australian accent like just be himself. And you were also really cool. But a film wasn’t he wasn’t stereotype to become like a funny, funny, like stupid Asian character who’s actually had a pretty cool role in Honduras. I reckon you guys like just check into the Asian industry and nice companies because things are going to change. I definitely think it’s an exciting time to be an Asian person. So we have a good guys.

[00:14:24] I and most Australians want to immigration policy policy radically reviewed and that multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1994 and 1995, 40 percent of migrants into this country were of Asian origin. They had their own culture and religion form. And do not simply we’ll be called racist. But if I can invite who I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in my country.

[00:15:07] On to our next segment. The ABC has published an article recently about the phenomenon about Asian Australians and Asian Americans struggling to break through what they called the bamboo ceiling. Say bamboo ceiling is actually similar to what they call the glass ceiling for women, which refers to the idea about invisible barriers through which Asian people can see managerial positions, which they cannot kind of reach them. In a study in the U.S., Asian people had the lowest chance at becoming a manager while compared to other people of colour and women, despite having the highest educational qualification, which is quite scary, to be honest, it’s the same in Australia. Less than 5 percent of Asian Australians make it to senior executive levels, and only 1.6 percent become CEOs. A research by diversity at Council Australia has showed that 82 percent of Asian Australians believe that there are cultural biases and stereotypes that place barriers onto push. Leadership roles and their careers as well. At further, 61 per cent said that they will felt likely that they needed to conform to Western and Anglo stereotype for leadership roles.

[00:16:08] Who you know well when I was reading about this made me so mad, actually. Why? Especially to read that Asian people are so qualified, but yet they weren’t going to be considered for like Seijiro loans. And then I was kind of thinking about because I obviously didn’t work for someone. I work for myself. But I’ve had jobs where in the past I felt like I never felt I belonged. And now I understand. Why do you think that this is because of who you are as a person or mostly because of a background? I think it’s a bit of both. But just I can see why now. Because I’m I’m. I’m pretty outgoing. I think when I’m around other Asian people, it’s very easy for me to, I guess, like talking a conversation. But you came from a predominantly Asian high school, so you kind of feel a lot Asian, correct? Yes. It is easier to talk about. You don’t talk about things that, you know, culturally, you guys are similar. Right. But yeah, I was wondering about this. It’s just kind of clicked. Actually, now I know why I always felt like I never belonged and never tunnels at work. I feel like I’m just quite reserved. And then. Yeah. Now it kind of makes sense because it’s because at these workplaces that predominately run by you, you’re just like white people, white people who are in senior roles. So you know, how and when you get when you’re growing up, you get told to not like speak back to your elders and speech writers like for.

[00:17:27] Yes. And so this is exactly what it’s about, because we. I’ll talk back to our managers because we get told not to. And then we get past for promotions because we don’t speak up and we don’t tell was our concerns. And Tom Jones, the sort of person that the person I am surprised because you’d never talk back to your boss level. So how do you feel about all of this?

[00:17:47] Look, to be honest, I can see where they’re coming from. But I do come from a family where I have to be extremely respectful to people who are older than me and people of my seniors, even at my last job working in the dental place, like if my boss wanted me to do something. Yes. Hundred percent. Yes, I can do that. Yep. Easy, easy. Even though I was drowning, I really want to kill myself. Yes, I can do. I can do. And I just kept doing it. Yeah, but it put me in a environment, a situation where I just needed to grow as a person, where even the social barriers because majority of my previous workplace, all of then were Caucasian, Caucasian girls, Caucasian boss, everybody pretty much was whites. Yeah. And there’s only a handful of maybe like one or two Sri Lankan or Indian clinician’s and maybe one or two Asian people. But me being in that situation, even though at first there was a bit of a barrier, culturally, people just one warms up and then you Canning’s get to know each other on a very deep level as well.

[00:18:40] What about because I know you as a person, you’re very adaptable to situations. But what about other Asian? Put your workplace. Do you think that they didn’t speak up when they had the opportunity to or they just kind of suck it in and just like most of the time they do suck it in.

[00:18:54] Even if it does go against their morals. But if you’re in an opportunity and something doesn’t feel right, even as an Asian or whatever colour you are, you need to speak up and say something about it, which is which is why, like when I read this article, I do understand that there are Asian people who are like. Yes. Yes. And t yes. Cool. But like if you are thrown into environment and majority of the people there are Western and you expect it to perform like an Anglo person or speak and have personality, which is extremely rainbow coloured like you do seem to do that. You know, even if your qualification let’s say you have 10, you went to university, you have 10 degrees under about if you can’t speak for yourself, if you can’t represent yourself, no one’s gonna hire you.

[00:19:34] But then I was reading about this article. Right. So I guess like the typical American or a show imply, you know, they kind of what’s on his like shows leadership is charismatic, is creative show that shows he’s taking stuff like that. But then less Asian people, less likely to get sick go out and like like you said in network show leadership stuff that. But that’s because we get told not to speak back. All raise like voice our opinions, you know, growing up there. Yes. It is disrespectful.

[00:20:04] Like you said, there is a difference between raise your voice and telling someone of your opinion, because what normally happens, a lot of Asian people, I realize they’re they’re scared of conflict. They’re so, so scared of conflicts. Even if it could benefit a situation or even just an opinion or something, just to improve a situation. Let’s get oh, no crap. It might cause drama. I don’t want to do it. And that’s the issue that I’ve realized with a lot of Asian people. Do you think that’s a personality or is it a cultural thing? Would be it told not to? I think it does come from cultural roots. But if you like, for example, let’s say that’s a billion dollar company. They want to hire someone who can pretty much sell something. You know, if you come from an Asian family, you can’t even speak. You can’t even sell useful. Is that gonna be.

[00:20:44] I think it’s the workplace fault. Why’s that? Because as an employer, you should be bringing the best out of all your employees. You know, especially big companies like R.E.M., for example, Apple, Microsoft. Right. They actually had the resources to spend money on cultivating the employees. They have different people who work differently. They should be the ones having these programs in place to bring people together, bring show that, for example, some workplaces in America and in Australia, they have programs where they train people to train Asian people to show leadership skills, because that’s not something culturally we’re supposed to be doing right. Or to actively show. So workplaces need to do these sort of things. And the sort of thing with like females in leadership positions, how at the moment is like a wave of like female leaders. Right. And part of it is because we have, you know, quotas, for example, on chip on boards where some boards aim to have half female, half male. Right. And so if we if we can put people, Asian people in these similar situations where we they actually people like us visit resample, we can see a little like us in these positions, then we’ll step up maybe like a hey, actually we can actually do this and we actually actually step up and be become managers, become CEOs.

[00:21:59] I think the problem here is that we’re not being willing to see that. So we don’t do it. We don’t say it’s like we’re not represented enough for people to see that we can do that. Yes. And it’s true. Black sites, you said earlier and I like less than 2 percent of Asian people come see ERs, which is a crazy amount of people because how many Asians are in Australia in the world like Asian people make up like a significant amount of number of people. But again, only 2 percent of people become CEOs and not statistically about the Fortune 500 companies, which is about the top five companies in the world. 1.6 percent of them us of the sea or Izaiah, only Asian people, so if we can’t see people like us in positions of power, how are we supposed to know that we actually can become.

[00:22:42] I agree. Hundred percent, but I don’t think it should be the fault of Obama. I do. I know some people do have different working habits and people like to work differently, but it shouldn’t predominantly be the fault of a company because coming from an Asian background writes a lot of the times we are told to be content with what we have to be humble to be respect for. Whereas I see a lot of Caucasian habits, I think if you can be anything you want to be. If you want to be an actress, I would support you 100 percent. Whereas Asian people, it’s like you go science, you go medical, you go accounting numbers, you go play it safe, have a safe, stable career.

[00:23:22] Where are you? But what do you think it’s like that it’s because we come from Asia. A lot of Asian families come from migrant families. Hundreds since have escaped from war except from, you know, like crap line. And so they take the safer route.

[00:23:37] So maybe this I don’t know so much, but it shouldn’t be a workplace fault for someone who has been brought up this way. Business is business and people need to make money. Yes, sure. Yes. It’s yes, I understand that there should be programs to kind of to encourage people to be a better themselves, to work better as well. But we can’t have companies picking people based on colour, based on gender, based on diversity hires. So you don’t you want people to pick based on this skill or your skill and their ability to perform? That’s pretty much it. Difference. And it can also be beneficial. Beneficial to us, too. Like, for example, if a movie is casting an Asian pass, you need someone to speak Chinese fluently. Pick the person who can speak Chinese. Well, don’t pick any white person if you can speak a little of Chinese and change a whole row.

[00:24:24] But the thing is, the thing with this argument is that if we don’t have queers in place, then what do we do about the unconscious bias that employers might have? So, for example, that’s that.

[00:24:35] I do believe that’s when it comes to the workplace, needs to change in mentality. But when it comes to hiring people, it shouldn’t be based on anything except for the ability to perform.

[00:24:46] It’s kind of catch-22, though, because if employers can’t see that in the current workplace, how they’re supposed to have not have this unconscious bias, Samir, they do just need quotas and they can at least attract. I see what attracts people and then other people will see that, you know, they can step up and then maybe more people step up because I mentioned Israel research a few times already. But you know, there’s been research done where employers have looked through, you know, different resumes and the ones who get ethnic names didn’t get picked. Hundreds. If you had a Western name, you’re more likely to get picked. And so there’s an unconscious bias. If we have quotas and nothing’s going to change, that’s what we need to be talking. And that’s what we need to be telling companies to improve on, to have an unconscious biases. And I think you’re right. I think it’s sort of funny. And but like, you know, if once we had these quotas, the next generation of Asian people, they’re gonna be like they’re not gonna go through what our parents told us, you know? They’re gonna be like, oh, we can actually achieve whatever we want to achieve. But I think we just need some change where we actually for some change upon us.

[00:25:49] Now that that comes down to our cultural upbringing, it’s we our people, our Asian community needs to change the way that we’re taught. Yes. It’s still okay to be respectful. It’s okay not to, you know, be dramatic or whatever, but it’s okay to her personality. Tokay, to show colour in a workplace, you don’t always have to be. Yes, okay. I’ll do whatever it be passive and just step all over me. But this needs it’s the change that needs to happen within us. We’ll be able to occur. So then we can actually perform better as well. And our numbers are gonna be going up anyway, huh?

[00:26:19] I’ll just say, like if you’ll listen to this, just like go out and put yourself out the network, meet people, put yourself in positions where you can actually be a leader in your company. Oil a lead in the group. Because if we don’t do that, then we’re not gonna see change. We’re not gonna inspire other our fellow Asian people to step up and. Right. Raise rise to the occasion.

[00:26:42] So, yeah, please step up and put away before we look at where we are. We’re in my music. You live by the west or shout out to my produce letting us use it. But you know, it’s take risk in life. I’m getting so fired up now, but take risks and life is so short. Guys like you have no idea how blessed you guys are to be in the position. You have money to listen to what it’s like to listen to a song you devise but take risks in life.

[00:27:04] How many of our friends actually just go to a 4:51 corporate job and don’t go anywhere? Oh, nearly all of them. All a lot of our friends. And I think we’re great examples of people who take risks. I think we’re we’re also very fortunate that when we are in a position where we can take these sort of risks, but I don’t know, it’s guys just please, like, just take take some take some calculated risk and step up.

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[00:28:03] It’s called Business Was. So I love the business podcast because I love, you know, stories of like, how did you recommend this last time? No, I recommend a different business.

[00:28:13] It’s called Start-Up.

[00:28:15] It’s good business. Well, so it’s about different businesses and how they’ve gone. Like much better each other. Yeah. In the past, for example, there’s a Coke and Pepsi episode when it’s about the battle between Coke and Pepsi. There’s one between the tender and Sony, I think. Yeah. And the one I really liked was Facebook. Snapchat, because I didn’t realize but Facebook has felt so far and threatened by Snapchat that it tried to create like three different versions of their own Snapchat before they thought I was dying down versus who’s pretty couple of teenagers. So Snapchat has always been a couple of teenagers and they’ve kind of gone back to, I guess like focussing on teenagers are before they realize, like Facebook is trying so hard to copy Snapchat. And they tried to buy at Snapchat for like three billion dollars, I think. But then Snapchat said no because they wanted to battle it out with Facebook and then Facebook ended up copying Snapchat. But yeah, I think I just I was really amazed by Snapchat because they’ve just been so innovative that once ones came with the face filters and yet they came up with the games and this on on Snapchat we can pay. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. I just love how innovative Snapchat wasn’t. I kind of have like a new found respect. It’s because of the podcast that you’re listening to. Yeah. Because I’ve I realize it was so innovative and that face was just basically just want to copy them and kill them off. But there’s another episode about Netflix and Blockbuster, which is a great episode. Oh yeah. But yeah, definitely took the idea to like business blockbuster had a chance to buy at Netflix video easier. Some like that. Yeah. And the blockbuster actually tried to copy Netflix. They had the video streaming service. I see. It was like a shit web sites. No one went there. And Netflix offered to buy blockbuster subscribers flat shuttles. Each preceptors absorbs so subscriber. But they said no. And now the last blockbuster just closed like Blasdel CEO. Yeah, I remember. Go to Blockbuster to ship.

[00:30:11] My favourite memory was up when I would have my tonsils taken out. My mom took me to Blockbuster and I rented the parliamentary thousand movie and I sat at home eating, watching popcorn.

[00:30:19] Oh no. Yeah, I’ll bet. I love walking around. Does my poverty bill like I remember. Plus, I used to have like the adult section.

[00:30:26] Oh yeah. She just likes dogs through there. What’s. Who hasn’t for the uninsured. Sure. Sure. But yeah she got business was a V too then.

[00:30:36] What would you recommend. Okay. Well I started and it’s probably been around for a while now but I love design. I love interior design. I love architecture design. I love watching people’s houses. And when I was younger, I’d actually collect IKEA books from IKEA and that’s it. Have a whole stack of them. But recently I started going on the Architectural Digest kind of tunnel train and my goodness, a YouTube series, right? It is a Rukiya.

[00:31:02] But I think Architecture Digest came from like some magazines. A magazine. Yes. And what they’ve been doing is that they interview celebrities and celebrities, pretty much gave it to the house.

[00:31:13] So I was watching Nicole scourging this one. tic-tacs just came out recently. Holy shit. Like this is the reason why I want to become successful, because if you look at their houses, it’s like Forestar living on the Hollywood L.A. Hollywood Hill was on to want postcode. And it just makes even though it’s not good to be materialistic, but it seems so fun.

[00:31:33] Oh, look, I saw that Nicole, she’s in a video. And I’m surprised this shows that many Royce is from the Pussycat Dolls, like she’ll have best life. Like I didn’t expect to pay that much.

[00:31:43] Look, think about it like she was the main thing of Gonzalo’s. Yeah. She started from. I think she was she started from a pop star TV show, became the X-Factor host, became put up like a talent show host of Australia. Now, as you know, and she’s been on the Marsing America. So, Jeff, I think she’s Ken Frump. She managed to switch her from her career from kind of the not taken seriously singer to reality schpiel juggernaut.

[00:32:11] Yes, you can. Like a TV personality. She did. Yeah. And I think it’s a great career move for her to be on. But, oh, my gosh, guys, I is beautiful. She’s like an outdoor pool, other pool with a swimming. She has everything in a household custom designed like custom chairs. Well, I will say her taste is like. You know what I mean? No, the house was beautiful. The thing is, like she she spent you know, you spend so much money to do things and yet it’s nice. But when they put pieces together, sometimes the celebrities really have much taste. Oh, my gosh. But Jessica Alba’s house, a house where her skin her was Healthline honest, honest line. Yeah. Baby is a baby lie. I don’t know why she’s worth like half a billion dollars. Yeah. But anyways, about her. How does. Delicious. It’s gorgeous. It’s like her house, like it’s like a cathedral which has like from Cha, like she looks like a charmed go. And you go inside. I know how to explain it. It’s minimal. It’s so beautiful. It’s so much Carina’s NHS. Like she is one of them. Chris Christian as Aisha was the prise. She has pretty good house. Christina. Christina? Oh, yeah. She was a really like interior designers like her. Definitely. She has no time. She’s a momager full time.

[00:33:18] Whose house? It’ll watch or watch. Another video. Asha Tisdale. Scott, does Nick watch someone in the house, which is an apartment with a crappy house in a name?

[00:33:29] Who was it?

[00:33:29] I can’t remember who it was. Was a male female. I can’t remember. I have to think about it anyway. But if I if I remember, I’ll put in the show notes.

[00:33:36] But anyways, check out Architecture Digest. When I read the comments there, it’s actually it’s actually quite sweet because then when the comments were like detriment, I just remember, guys, you will own a house like this one day. Everybody works. What did you like? Well, when did you. She becomes a host.

[00:33:51] People actually not so you two now.

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