What happens after you come out as a transgender woman?

What happens after you come out as a transgender woman?


On this week’s episode we discuss:

  • Justin Bieber breaks down talking about Billie Eilish
  • How can we expect Hollywood to change now that ‘Parasite’ has become the first foreign film to win the ‘Best Picture’ award at the Oscars
  • AND we are joined by a special friend of the podcast, Kara Tran. She’s a fierce make-up guru but also a passionate trans activist. She talks to us about what it was like coming out to her parents and publicly sharing her story with the Vietnamese community.

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[00:00:01] This is a Lipp Media podcast.

[00:00:14] Hello, hello, hello from Lipp Media. Welcome to the LEMON show. The show giving you the squeeze of pop culture. As always you’re joined by Thomas Tan, which is me and Phillip Kuoch.

[00:00:24] That is me. And this week my voice isn’t cracking. Hello.

[00:00:28] Coming up today on the show. Why was Justin Bieber in tears after talking about Billy Eilish in a recent interview?

[00:00:35] And Parasite, is being hailed as a big shift towards inclusion. But does it really change anything? And joining us on the show today, we talk to a makeup guru and trends activists Kara Tran. But first, how is your week?

[00:00:51] I’m just wondering what we did this week. But this week has been a big blow for me because of Valentine’s Day. So as you guys know, I earn a donut company. And as part of that company, we make Derek gift boxes and did it because of stuff like that. So Valentine’s Day was one of our biggest days of the year where people order declaring arts and days for their loved ones. And yes, so Friday was a big day. And thank you for helping me, Thomas. You’re most welcome. How did you feel? Have you ever recovered from the Friday news?

[00:01:20] It wasn’t too bad. I think last year was a lot worse. And this year? This year, a lot more organized. But you woke up at 2:00 a.m.. I did.

[00:01:28] And I woke up at 3:00 a.m. But knowing that, it’s just that even the days leading up towards I was working like 10, 12 hours, Ali, days preparing everything for its big day, but everything went smoothly compared to last year.

[00:01:40] So this year, we did about 200 deliveries and 20 orders, which is insane amount of orders. We had about 15 drivers going out to deliver all around Melbourne. And yeah, thanks to you, it all went very smoothly. Helps keep everything intact.

[00:01:55] Yes, I did. But I’m surprised by how serious people take Valentine’s Day. Yeah, I like because it was it was a crazy day and there’s a lot of orders going through.

[00:02:04] Obviously, we’re gonna miss at least one or two doughnuts. I want to kind of see items. But you tell me how, like some people like, dude, it even gets like just a chocolate rose. Yeah.

[00:02:12] They went batshit crazy. They did have a customer who said we ruined her Valentine’s Day because we fought to include a chocolate rose. Whoops. But look, these things happen. I think I’m really proud of the way we handled things. I think very smoothly. We’ve only gone to complaints about 200 or so. That’s pretty good. Right. That’s like 1 percent to my treats.

[00:02:35] You did take me to get a massage afterward. I did. And wasn’t it a great massage? Holy. OK. I I’ve enjoyed this massage place. Well, I’m going to crash course I. And give them like the name ism Holiday Inn Holiday called Holiday Inn and Oakley. It looks like a very dodgy area. And honestly, from the outside, it looks like a place that you kind of get happy endings from. It does look, but it’s a very professional place. The first time I went that you took me there last year and I got this amazing girl. Her name is Jenny. I know. Every time we mentioned the word massage. Jenny, Jenny, let me tell you guys, like I’ve been to a lot of massage place. I’ve been to shopping centers overseas. I’ve pretty much get one every second day because it’s so cheap in Vietnam, Malaysia, China. But no one has ever topped Jenny’s massage. She’s literally your benchmark now. She is. So I’ve been going on for Jenny for about nearly two years now. And this was my reunion with her on Friday. And I didn’t know if Jenny was gonna come or not. But then she came in and she told me on my thighs, Hi, how are you? And then I saw her and like, today is gonna be my day. Just her voice lighting up your whole day. She knew where to press.

[00:03:43] Like no one’s ever touched you like Jenny. No one has ever. But it was a great massage. I like that. We took it. We had a one element site in like three hours.

[00:03:52] It felt like your money’s worth. And then when she got you to flip over to your back to shoot, like you would look at the ceiling. It’s like I don’t know how she lost him, but she was like my body was floating, was being stretched. But shout out to Jenny at holiday card. If anybody ever goes there, I guarantee, ask for Jenny.

[00:04:11] Yeah. If you get just let them know what the all grey get ready. But yeah. How’s about. How is your Valentine’s Day. I mean I worked with, you know, just icing on the cake. I knew we spent time together. We did. But yeah, we didn’t really do much on Valentine’s Day, sir. Was just going to our first segment.

[00:04:27] Let’s take a look now outside. PANAMENO Merc, Ariana Grande day lick and spit on the merchandise. There can be a hundred people in the room. Rise and shine. China. China. China. China. China. China shining.

[00:04:48] So onto our first story of the day. Let’s talk about Justin Bieber. But because he’s having a massive return after five years from his last album Purpose. Has it been that long? I know, right? It has been a long time flies. Wow. Yeah. So he’s back after five years after really seeing purpose in 2015. And he spoke to Zain live from Apple Music and he talked about Billy Eilish. And he got a very. Missional speaking to Billy. I’ll say Billy Owlish is, you know, she’s the person of the moment right now. She’s the IT girl. She is. Holy shit. She’s like 18 now, right? I think she’s still in her teen years. She’s 18. She’s the youngest person to ever win the four main categories, all forming categories at the Grammys history. She also had the biggest selling album of the year. So she’s having a great year. You know how many units she sold off those six million copies worldwide? Six million, including digital, like SPSS or just like album sales. Just like album equivalent sales. That’s a lot. That’s massive in this climate. Holy crap. Yeah.

[00:05:54] Well, she did spend 10000 hours on this album with her brother. So she wrote a song. Yeah. So she definitely deserves it. And so, J.B., you know, he’s been to a lot of press. He’s also has had a documentary outweigh talked about his his struggles over the last few years. And part of it, he kind of like when those speak about Gibby ollis, she got really emotional because he sees a lot of himself in her because, you know, he was a child star as well. He claims he’s ready to rise to fame in his teenage years. And as part of that, he had a lot of issues with the press issues. The law had a bit of drug use problems and just had like, I think some bad people around him who didn’t look after him and had his best interests. So he said, you know, let her do her thing. If she ever needs me, I’m going to be here for her. But yeah, just protecting the moment because people take for granted encounters. And then he goes on to say, yeah. So I just really want to protect. And I don’t want her to go through anything I went through. I don’t wish that upon anyone if she ever needs anything.

[00:06:55] I’m just a call away. It’s really nice. It’s touching. And he got he got really emotional crying about it.

[00:07:00] Is it because she’s he’s like his number one biggest fan?

[00:07:03] Yes, she is. Because Javy fans. So you see the bedroom. Yeah. Like just just Justin Bieber photos I posted everywhere. She’s a massive J.B. fan. But I think he also, you know, his feeling what she’s going through. Yeah. Because he I don’t know if have seen that the trailers or the documentary. He’s been in there.

[00:07:21] He spoke about, you know, when a couple years ago he was doing drugs a lot. So he’d just to wake, hop, smoke a joint or do a cap or a pill. And those one moment where his security team came to his room. Was on the floor unconscious. He said that he would have died that day if he felt like he was gonna die that day.

[00:07:42] It’s funny that we speak about this topic because actually, I was speaking to my producer about this on Tuesday this week, actually, because he has he has a daughter.

[00:07:49] She’s only the 15 year extremely show and she cause he’s already had success in the US. So I was speaking to her like, oh, what do you want to do on your own? She’s like, oh, I want to become a singer. Then I said to two heads at like, oh, wow, you don’t want to become a singer. And he’s like, you know, the thing about the industry, the music industry, people who start at such a very young age, it’s very, very taxing. And it was hard talking about the guy from home alone, the girl, the Disney stars, Nickelodeon stars who actually start as child stars. Drew Barrymore was another case as well. These kids, these are your prime years of growth and development and you’re under so much pressure. I mean, when the whole world is looking at you, it’s difficult to take a toll loving that.

[00:08:32] And also, you know, when you’re as successful and as young as that, you know, pretty much the whole world’s your oyster. Everyone’s is your yes man. Everyone’s that serve you. So can you imagine being growing up in that kind of environment, being given anything that you want? You know, so I don’t know. It’s it’s a bit hard to see, you know, what he went through, even like, for example, Billy Eilish.

[00:08:52] Right. She didn’t really start at Justin Bieber’s age, but she’s too young. But seeing how Billy Eilish conducts an interview, you can tell that she’s a lot more mature. You know, at the point where she’s achieving fame best is when Justin Bieber is achieving fame.

[00:09:05] Harper said I can definitely see that she has lots of great people around her who are keeping her humble and grounded.

[00:09:11] And the funny thing was, you know how we were on the road. Listen to the radio. It was Rebecca Black’s ninth year or nearly a decade of went since Friday releases while she was how old when that plan. That Friday song came out like 13, 14 as well. And that she was a victim of so much online bullying, so much people were actually kind of giving her death rant. And as a parents, you know, you don’t know what you can do for your challenge point in time because it never really went through themselves. Exactly.

[00:09:35] But I think this is a bit different with Billy Eilish because I was listening to a interview with Phinnaeus who saying how when they popped his song on SoundCloud, the success that Billy Billy Eilish got was very gradual compared to Justin Bieber like that instant tour. And when you’re dealing with instant success or fame, you don’t know how to do it because it’s happens overnight.

[00:09:54] It’s really interesting. You know, your producer who’s all like vote worked in the music industry for him to say that, then, you know, as an outsider, you know, we should really make a note of that, because if he’s an industry person, he and he does on his daughter, get into it. Then we should give them an easier time if we see another child star going through something like that.

[00:10:13] And, you know, it’s weird. It’s like the stars. Nobody’s doing anything much younger. As in like they have to have success like that. Pressure to haptics success. When you’re 18, when you’re 21, which is basically you look in the 90s and the 80s, the people who were achieving success were in their 20s, their 30s when Houston was in her 30s, when when she was singing her top hits. Mariah Carey debuted at, I think 19 or 21, but she didn’t achieve success unless in her mid 20s and late 20s. So it’s a bit sad how climate is changing and expecting so much from younger people these days.

[00:10:49] If this goes in to what we spoke about a couple weeks ago about personal branding and how people frame personal brands. So this is just falls and right into it. Okay. I didn’t really want to talk about Parasyte because this is like the fourth week. We’re talking about it now. We really have to talk about Parasyte because it has made a head. It has had a historical win this week at the Oscars.

[00:11:13] So it has won Best Original Screenplay, Best International feature film, best director and best picture at the Oscars. Is that the biggest the best picture? Best picture is like the biggest awards you can get. Oh, Oscars. It’s the equivalent winning best album of the year. Right. Right. This is a really big deal because only 12 foreign films has been nominated this category. And is the first when it’s all this to what it takes to win D’Asia. We have his picture. Yeah. Wow. So there’s a lot of cometary going around this at the moment and how, you know, this is gonna change Hollywood because, you know, having an Asian cast, an Asian director, an Asian film, being in it. How would this change Hollywood? So there is a lot of commentary on it. And I’ve come across a few interesting ones and I thought we should discuss about it. So the first one’s from The New York Times, from Walter Chor. You talked about how, you know, Parasyte is a big win for Korea, but not a big word of Asian people. So he was also talking about how, you know, growing up, he’s Taiwanese, but people would automatically associate him to every other Asian.

[00:12:13] So this is the writer of this article. Yet in your kinds of articles. Yes. So he’s talking about how, for example, although he’s Taiwanese and just Jackie Chance is a Hong Kong actor, people ask him all Gina, Hong Kong, what? You know, Bruce Lee. Here’s what I know them if they’re not from my country. So he talked about how, you know. You know, this is great for Korea. You know, there’s gonna be a put a spot in Korea. But Hollywood automatically associate or Asians as one culture. Not like multiple cultures on Chinese, Korean, stuff like that. So he’s gotten to say how, you know, Hollywood has had a history of being very people who have made it in Hollywood and to sir, typical Asian roles, for example, Jackie Chan, for example, when he’s in rush hour, it was like a running joke about him being Japanese, although he’s not Japanese. And so, you know, you kind of all Asian pass becomes like this, you know, sidekick in Hollywood and his wife, that this is gonna happen towards Asian people now because Asian people are now in the spotlight now.

[00:13:11] Can you really blame them, though, to be honest? Like ignorance aside, a lot of Caucasians are within that Caucasian bubble. And this is Hollywood. This is a Western kind of media outlet. It reminds me of even when, for example, if I meets my friend who is Asian and I say, oh, yeah, you know, I come from a Malaysian background and then something that, you know, this person that.

[00:13:32] From Malaysia. Like what? Excuse me. I don’t know. You know what I mean? Yeah, kind of somewhat like you from Canberra.

[00:13:38] I know. When when I tell you I’m from Canberra, you’re like, oh, did Angelina Jolie.

[00:13:42] Yeah, exactly.

[00:13:43] And even, like Asian people are doing this to other Asian people. And for Caucasians, do this to Asian people or cream people. Are you really surprised? I’m not really surprised by this.

[00:13:53] Maybe it’s to say something about our society in general.

[00:13:57] You know, maybe because we don’t see such a diverse costs, you know, and cultures or in Hollywood or in mainstream media, you know, we don’t know what other cultures look. I wouldn’t know what Malaysian culture looks like. It you know what it means. Culture looks like. So, you know, we fall victim to this. Yes. You know, to this.

[00:14:16] And on top of that’s the Asian community, especially in America or any Western countries. They’re very in the middle. And when I say in the middle, what I mean is because especially in America, you have African-Americans always fighting for their rights. You know, they know overshadowing Asians by the Asian people don’t really make much noise. They just want to coexist. They just want to coexist with everybody else. They don’t want to make noise. So like when someone says something offensive to them, they don’t take the time to acknowledge it. What they’ve said and really process it and actually educate people. Correct. So then four decades later, you know, suddenly Koreans actually are taking off with their music, K-pop. Now that film entry is taken off and now we’re making noise. But what you said, because, you know, social media is becoming so big. So I think it’s a bit unfair. You know, we expect the Americans or caucasion me to know straight away. I know Malaysian culture is like this. Cream cultures like this. Japanese culture like this. Cause we didn’t really say anything to begin with.

[00:15:15] It’s true. I mean, like it’s partly I see where you’re coming from. It’s both both ways in our life, if you know. Well, I think when we talk about Hollywood or Western media, we don’t just talk about white people, Caucasian, but we’re talking about the Western society as a general, you know, Asian people who live in Western society, for example. You know, someone who works in the media, you know, you should take time to research the cultures that you want to represent in your film. You know, it doesn’t take long to represent, you know, if you can research what the Spanish culture’s like or the Italian culture is like, you can take time to research what you know, what Chinese culture or vitamins culture is like. Like there are some people out there.

[00:15:54] We have a great friend, Alexander, who he actually takes a time out to to do research. And I’ve even I’m like, I’m sorry. Like what? You know, this guy is the most non-racist white person I’ve ever met in my life. Things that come out of his mouth are so educated. Wow. But you know what?

[00:16:10] I think it’s because, you know, because he grew up in where you’re around where you grew up, Brown would say it out loud, where you live in the same suburb.

[00:16:19] You live in the same suburb.

[00:16:20] But it’s a very multicultural suburb. So he grew up with a lot of different cultures. He’s a lot more culturally sensitive than a lot of operate his lot in his bubble.

[00:16:29] Yes. Yeah. But that being said, coming back to, you know, the parasite’s issue, where the author of the article is saying that, you know, it doesn’t really benefit any other Asian cultural community besides Korean.

[00:16:41] I did think so. You know, I think that the fact that it is a Korean film led by Korean starring Koreans, and it did win the best Oscar prize of all time. But I think Asians can kind of take glory in it because, you know, it opens more doors for other Asians to reach the goal that he’s actually reached.

[00:17:00] So I just agree with the article. I I I agree with some points on discourse, some plants. I’ve you know, you mentioned social made before, sir, with social media. You know, this is the first time the movie industry is going through this social media. Mm hmm. So, you know, we see there is so many Asian led films and people of color films such as crazy rich Asians, Black Panther are, you know, breaking box office records. And it’s a lot to do with social media. People are talking about the film and talking. Why this film matters. So people go out to see why. And so, you know, I think it’s really interesting. I think although Hollywood has a history of, you know, treating Asian people in people of color, very racist early in in films. Now we have we have social media to keep people in Hollywood accountable.

[00:17:47] Can I also say, though, even though when we talk about, say, me or people, that supporting it, if you actually look at the people who watch it behind the screen to actually telling people to actually go watch these foreign films, listen to these foreign music. A lot of it isn’t actually Asian people. Lot of are people that they’re black. They’re Sri Lankan than Indian. They’re brown skinned. And they could be even white as well. A lot of look at all the K-pop stands, right? Yeah, a lot of them are actually pale skinned, the most pale skin, blonde, blue eyed people you’ve ever meets. And they’re the biggest K-pop fans ever. So kudos to them for actually supporting a culture which they have been trying to understand, which is fantastic. So, you know, Asians can also support them. She by a lot of the times. I think it’s other people.

[00:18:30] And I think it’s just interesting that you say this, because one thing I did want to touch on is that, you know, we live in a streaming age now. You know, we have Spotify, for example, who creates playlists for people and then the ability to push, you know, K-pop music to Chinese music to an audience that normally wouldn’t listen to it. Yeah, same on Netflix. You know, Netflix was able to push foreign films into people who would never watch foreign films. And we see this a lot on Netflix, you know, like Pregnant Cha Cha is directed by a movie. Yes. That’s directed by Bondurant as well. Also, when that movie came out, it was on Netflix production. So they really pushed that film, push it to a lot of awards and a lot of festivals and stuff like that. And because of that, that said, that’s how the movie became really big things. So, yeah, I think it’s great. We live in a time where, you know, traditionally Asian people want to be at the forefront, but now, you know, they have the ability to push and support Asian people.

[00:19:30] We should also, you know, think, well, our Brazilian fans, Brazil. Do you love K-pop? That they love everything that’s Asian. So kutta Su was half truth when we looked at this to ask that we see like two people listening from Spain and a couple of you live from South America say, we love you guys, too. You guys, thanks for supporting us.

[00:19:47] Coming up next, a makeup guru, a miscarriage. Kara speaks to us candidly about what happens next after you come in as a transgender woman. But first, here’s a word from today’s sponsor.

[00:20:01] So, Tom, if you haven’t realized it, this week is the beginning of Mardi Gras.

[00:20:05] So two weeks of celebration for pride and LGBT background music.

[00:20:12] This is a song that Donna Summer I think is on a song. Oh, don’t worry.

[00:20:17] I’m the worst gay ever. Anyway, so Mardi Gras is happening in Australia and in Sydney Arena. And lots of people are flying to Sydney from all around the world to celebrate Mardi Gras. And thank you to Apple for featuring us on the home page again for Mardi Gras. Thank you. So to celebrate Mardi Gras, we thought it’d be great to catch up with our pal friend Kyra Tran, who is a very big influence in the Melbourne scene and a make up. And she also is a big trans activist. Yeah, she came out as a trans woman a couple of years ago on Snapchat to hook up her friends, which I saw because I do know her personally. And ever since she came out on Snapchat, I’ve been following her story about her transitioning because she’s been very candid about especially within the Vietnamese community as well.

[00:21:04] She is because the victim is community is a very it’s like the Chinese community. They only talk to each other. So true.

[00:21:11] So they’re like a bunch of aunties and uncles who any talk on WhatsApp. And I don’t really know much about the LGBTQ community. And so when Karen came out as trends, it was a really big deal because her and her parents spoke very publicly about what was like being trans and having Ms.

[00:21:29] Community and parents of trans children in the Vietnamese community as well. I think listening to her dad, talking to sbx as well as her interview with us, it just opened your eyes of how tough it is not only for the person who’s transitioning, but for the parents to actually go through with their child as well.

[00:21:48] And I think it’s really important that we have conversations with trans people and about trans people, because can you believe it? Just like 10 years ago or 15 years ago, most of the world didn’t know what a transposon was like. They even know that, like we didn’t even know the difference, but not us personally, but like people didn’t know the difference between a drag queen or a trans person. Yeah. I hope by having these conversations, you know, hopefully you can open up, Alison, as to what it’s like being trends should be. Let Karen do the talking now. Yes, we should.

[00:22:17] So tell us take us all the way back, because a lot of people don’t know you are transgender. So before you became Car Tran, you were Kevin Tran. Yeah. So what was Kevin Tran like as a kid?

[00:22:29] Very insecure. Quiets just to myself, really. But now I’m just completely different. So but yeah, I was very closed off. Was it because, like you felt you kind of have this kind of secret that you just watched? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was struggling my whole life with it. Oh, I see. I was in denial. Yeah. I felt like the longest time was Kevin. It’s like a lot of makeup as well. Yes. Secretly, really? Still my mom’s makeup. You know, we’re doing makeup. The first time I saw you. Yes. This is when I was coming out. I was already out. And I was, you know, experimenting. I think I was always at the point of, like transitioning. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I kind of knew. Mm hmm. And. Yeah. You find because of vitamins. Australian. Do you identify more with vitamin side or the Israeli side. Oh I don’t know. I used to identify with the more Australian side because I used to live in Melton.

[00:23:22] I don’t know how I was bogan basically like a really strong. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:27] I was raised that way of all the white kids. But now I think I’m more in touch with my Vietnamese side because I live in San Orbán’s now. Do you find that in Vietnam is a lot of trans or LGBTQ plus people? There is a lot. Yeah, there’s like a famous thing. And she won like miss. International queen, yeah. In Thailand. So she won and she represented Vietnam. I didn’t realize that the Vietnamese gay community was that big. Oh, even the trash queen is cool. It’s very big, but it’s very judgmental still. You have to be really pretty or you’re high up. But if you’re not, then you’re very. Yeah. It’s like an Asian culture. Yes. Like wherever you go in Asia, it’s like that. If you haven’t made it, then you know you’re not accepted.

[00:24:11] And how huddles for your parents because like did you initially come out gay first to them?

[00:24:15] I came out by bi and gay and then gender.

[00:24:19] Oh, my gosh. All right. Well, there you go. What was the space in between? It’s coming out story. Like, what was the conversation? What did you tell them first when your bilats.

[00:24:28] I came out as bi. And how old were you when you were 17? Yeah. Did your parents send you a little bit before? No. I had no clue, which is the funny thing. I played the Barbies.

[00:24:40] They just like we thought you just, you know, kind of metrosexual, feminine, but we didn’t think you swung that way. So I don’t know. Were they surprised when you said you’ll buy? Yeah. And then my mom said to me, she’s like, are you sure you buy? Because if you’re gay, just let me know, because I don’t want you to get with a girl and ruin her life. Yeah. Yeah. And then six months later, I just that’s pretty sensible because most parents be like, if you told me you’ll go buy the bike, just take girls like, yeah, I’d like it if you try it.

[00:25:09] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:10] My mom went for a like like a phase like when I first came out she actually told me out of concern. She said, I need to take you to the doctor’s tomorrow.

[00:25:19] And I just sat there crying because I didn’t know what else to do. What did you think was wrong with you? She thought that. She just thought it was a sickness. Cause she wasn’t educated. So then she went with this. So it was this when you said you’re bored? Yes. When he said I was my. And then she went and talked to my dad. They watched a few YouTube videos in Vietnamese. A patient, educated. My mom came back out and then she was like. Yeah. That’s when she was like accepting shit. I’m so sorry, I shouldn’t have said that, but just don’t ruin someone else’s life and feel pressured to marry a girl because of me. So when did you tell him that you were gay then that six months later?

[00:25:55] I was still I was still in shock. You know, I didn’t wanna, you know, commit Postle, a mom and dad. My whole school thought I was bi as well. And I was still like, yeah, trying to act manly and cool.

[00:26:06] But once I came out as just gay, like people who kind of accepted me more because I was just being myself.

[00:26:13] And when you said you were trying to act straight, right. What kind of things were you doing? There like a bride.

[00:26:18] And like, I don’t know how else.

[00:26:22] Afl sports. Yeah. I’m like a little scrawny Asian. Just different. And you also have a younger brother as well. Yeah.

[00:26:29] How old were was your brother back then when you were 17? Do I have to do the math? He’s 3 6. He’s 19 now. Yeah. So and see five. So six. Eleven. Yeah. Wow. Did he know what was going on. He was omega. He was the most. He’s the first person I came out to. I went into his room. I’m like, Jason, I need to tell you something. Like I’m bisexual. And he’s like, Kevin. I don’t care who you love. Or you’re into like you’re still Kevin to me. Yeah. Like I accept anything. He’s my brother is the most supportive test I’ve ever met.

[00:27:06] Spence, it was like the the more supportive like my sister, the first person I told to the Russian, my mom and my sister. But like, she was the first person to like say, tell me it was fine. Like, she doesn’t care. And it surprises you some. Yeah, because, you know. You know. Yeah. I was more. What did the day that you told your parents at your trans? I feel like that was a very life changing moment. How did the conversations, like even start?

[00:27:29] I wasn’t nervous to tell them. I knew that would be accepting. I was just more. I knew they would be concerned or stressed for me. So I told my dad for. My dad first. I knew my mom was a bit more. She wasn’t educated on that topic as much, I guess. Yeah. You know, she’s very accepting. I know she would be worried for me. Yeah. Cause there’s this I don’t know if it’s true, but Vietnamese people think that if you transition and you get the surgery on home, your life expectancy, you like increases, which I I think. I don’t think it’s a thing. Well, I’m not sure. Yeah. I need to do more research. But that’s what my mum thinks. Yeah. So I told my dad first and he’s said, to be honest, I’m happy for you. And I really knew. Because I’ve always seen you as a girl once you like. Told you were. You just had this feminine energy in you and you just became yourself. Mm hmm. And I rather you transition fully and just be happy. Wow. And then he’s like, don’t worry, I’ll tell mom, I’ll let her know. No stress. And how did you respond to that? Did you just break down and cry? I was crying. Yes. Yeah, I. I was. Yeah. Like I saw it coming that my dad would be accepting. But I just. Just to hear those words from him. It was very Life-Changing. And were you as close as a family like before this whole journey started? I was not close to them as a child. But as soon as I came out as by I, we just got closer and closer. Now was super close. I feel like. Yeah, just was like.

[00:28:56] People who are part of the LGBTQ community, right? If you’re in the closet, it’s really hard to come out and because you feel there’s a barrier and war. So it’s really hard for you to get close with people. I’ve experence of my own peers as well like I do. Really? Evolution has really blossomed in the last few years after I came out. Yeah. Because of yourself? Yeah. I think to hide when you talk to them, it’s just so much easier. Yeah. So tell me. So after you’ve come out to your parents, what’s what are the next steps like? There’s no cause. Like there’s a checklist or anything for you to go off. So what are you even. How do you even know what to do next? Like do you go see a doctor first or what do you do next with my transition, you say?

[00:29:34] Oh, my gosh. I did so much research. So I knew I had to go to the doctors and go to a psychiatrist again, approved to get going home. Yeah. So they like, you know, talk to you and see if you’re actually in the right mindset to transition. Yeah. So what kind of questions would they ask you, though? Is I like do you fill in a form of like, what do you do? They’re just writing stuff down and asking me questions like what do you see when you wake up in the mirror? I’m like, wow. Yeah. Like, really crazy things. Like they really they put trick questions in there.

[00:30:07] Do they? It’s it’s like a process because to get that medication, they wanna make sure that you’re on the right path. Right.

[00:30:12] And that’s scared because like I can imagine being asks questions and being bored that you answer wrong.

[00:30:17] Yeah. I was so scared. Like being. Yeah. And like because I wanted them so bad. Yeah. Bulls. It must. Hardest question that I asked in that examined like examination all like I really can’t remember because it was like three years ago and it was all a blur. You know, like even this interview I won’t remember myself.

[00:30:34] It’s just a blur. We got to talk shop. Yeah.

[00:30:38] But yeah, it was very nerve wracking. Mm hmm. Yeah. So after you see the psychiatrist, what happens next? You go to the doctors and then you show them your certificate with the psychiatrist telling you that, telling the doctor that it’s okay. Describe me your minds. Yeah. Was that a big day for you when you got that certificate?

[00:31:00] Yeah, I got it. And then I got my memory and I’ve had. Yeah, that’s now child taking my first home.

[00:31:05] Inhales Yeah. Well what does a lot of people don’t know. What what is. Hey, Chelsea, what does actually do to your body at risk? Basically, you take t blockers, which stops that testosterone and then you put estrogen. It was in that estrogen. Yeah. And your body goes through so many changes like your nipples. Her, you’re hungry all the time. You crave more salty, your skin changes. Vilma smells like, um, the same like symptoms you get when you’re pregnant. Ah, it was like going through puberty, basically.

[00:31:36] So I went through to puberty.

[00:31:40] How soon did you notice your body started to change? One month.

[00:31:44] Really? In one month. My boobs were like so sore I just couldn’t touch anymore. And I just tried to stay away from everything. But it was yeah, it was hard even waking up in the morning. You feel tired? Yeah. But in the moment when you kind of like this. I was happy.

[00:31:59] Like I was happy. I’m really happy.

[00:32:03] Yeah. Did you document all of that? I think I did on Snapchat, like every few weeks I would just update.

[00:32:10] Yeah, I saw the transition of video on YouTube. I did have updates. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Josefine that cause what you want in videos. You’re talking about touching on a little bit on mental health as well. Did you feel that your mood changed at all?

[00:32:22] I was actually more calm, but then every like. It was like you get your period yet without getting the period. I just went for like a spiral every like month, like a few days. I would just get really moody and like, angry. But then the rest of the month, I’m just calm, happy, collected.

[00:32:41] Because, wow, I didn’t realize how I knew that it changes your body. I didn’t realize the extent of how how much you go through. We take HRT as well. What happens if you get off?

[00:32:50] It’s it’s old stuff up your hormones and your guy. I had to because when I went to get my face and boobs done, I had to get off hormones and I was going crazy. Supplements switchback is covered by Medicare. Is it something that is some of the whole it’s covered a little bit for Medicare. Yeah, it’s not that expensive either because I’m some results. Maybe because it’s Americaa. I just imagined it to be spics. Pensive Bethy minutes in America. It’s nothing if nothing is covered there. Yeah, I think over there. Everything’s because when I got the surgery, I had to buy like, you know, medicine, psych’s and yen.

[00:33:27] It took us through that surgery with what’s going through that surgery. Was that something that you’ve always wanted to kind of complete your transition?

[00:33:33] And I thought I needed it because in the Asian community, I think it’s just I don’t know. Like my aunties and stuff, they’re like, oh, you know, you need this. You need that. And like, you know, Canalis about looks.

[00:33:48] Yeah. So kind of like you want to be feminine, you want to be a female, you need to get this. You need to have that, you know? So I feel felt pressured to get it. And then I just wanted to get it. So I booked it in. So what kind of surgery she had to kind of undergo through. So it’s called facial feminization surgery. Everyone’s different. So some people will get their Bradburn done because, you know, males have a more permanent brow bone. While some people get noticed on or Jaulin done. My car is apple. I got done. Oh, he’s Adam.

[00:34:16] I don’t know how I got that shaved.

[00:34:21] I got my jawline shaved down my brow bone. And that’s all my hairline. They pull pulled back Colebatch, they pull it forward. Goes round. How? How smaller? How long did you spend like in America? Doing the surgery? I think I spend three weeks there. You can recover and everything. Yeah. I got surgery not long after I got here. So I couldn’t eat all the food and some of those that.

[00:34:48] Were you worried or. Because I can imagine undergoing such a big transformation. Were you worried at all you weren’t gonna like it then like you, you were at the end?

[00:34:58] To be honest, I was sorry, I. Keen on doing it. I mean, think of the consequences or like, you know, all that, because I was I felt like I was in good hands. It’s cut. Caitlin Jenner’s said. Makita dragon surgeon. Oh, yeah. I went there. I would travelled all the way to Mary. I purposely picked up that surgeon. Because he does like all the transpeople. And that’s really good. How much with that says you’re kind of course like. Overall, it was a lot. I don’t want to put a price on it. If you want to do it, you got to do your own research. I don’t want to put a price on it because it is a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And I read that your dad, you know, he saved up money, too. Yeah. He funded me basically because he wanted me to feel comfortable in my own skin, to be honest. Like now that I look back, I felt like I didn’t need to. Even when I got into the doctor to get that consultation. It’s like you don’t make much because I wanted so much more. And he was just like, you don’t really need much else, like forcing the doctor on want.

[00:35:56] It’s not.

[00:35:59] He’s like, no, no, no, no, no. You’re very feminine already, so you don’t need much. Well, what did. What does a dead workers. His job. He was a truck driver. Oh, that’s nice. Yeah. My mom sighs Well, like different companies. Yeah. Do you feel like that’s the biggest gift you could ever receive? Of course. My parents are the best. Are awesome. Do you not regret the surgery? But you wished that you didn’t go as heavy or hard? Yeah. There’s certain things I didn’t need to do. Like my backbone. Well, you know, like just things I could have held off. You know, I could used that money, too. I’ve been in business all like there’s so many other things I could have done with that money now that I think about it.

[00:36:38] But yeah, it just got to me like being transgender. You are very insecure. You always have body dysmorphia and like a lot of struggles. But I think I’ve just let to kind of love myself the way I am. And yeah, I just don’t really need as much surgeries as I think I do.

[00:36:57] Do you? Did your parents expect you to pay them back? Well, currently in debt to them all. No. They never say that. Oh, no.

[00:37:03] I said as long as you live a good life, we’re happy. Well, that’s nice. But of course I’m gonna pay them back. Yeah.

[00:37:13] Tell me more from car. Try not to break first. Here’s a word from today’s sponsor.

[00:37:24] So what was SBW like, like working, like doing the interview, all the Vietnamese as well. It was the most nerve wracking thing.

[00:37:30] Sorry. They contacted me and they said it has to be in Vietnamese because it was sbx Vietnam. So I brought in my dad with me because I knew he would make me feel comfortable and he would do most of the talking. Yes, I did that. And I just kept thinking like, I have to do this because I want to educate the Vietnamese community on trans topics because there’s so many misconceptions about trans people.

[00:37:52] Did you find that when you first came out to your dad? Because I was reading the SPSS article and what he said was that’s really touching because he said that he felt a lot of judgment from close relatives, sisters, brothers, neighbors and stuff like that. So how did that even translate to how you were feeling?

[00:38:08] To be honest, I found out on that interview, we found out so much on that interview, like I’ve got so much closer to my dad. He broke down in tears halfway and I’ve never seen him cry in my life. Wow. So it will black birth. Like just crying. Yeah.

[00:38:22] So I I didn’t know he was suffering that much because you don’t really talk much like it gets in. A lot of Asian families don’t really talk about how nice. Sometimes I brush it off. Yes. Sometimes you need likes a third person to come. Take that out of you. It’s like a therapy session.

[00:38:39] Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. I guess. Vietnam. He did.

[00:38:43] I was reading the article. I didn’t listen to us like I did. I did read it. It was just until such a hot, like, hot touching moment. Like I was into it almost in tears from really aloud, really cry from reading anything. Just to see him transition from, you know, from I guess, like not accepting to accepting. And his journey, his went through the loss three and a half years. It’s just really beautiful. Doesn’t come around to it. And I was also reading that your mom he said that your mom only took three days. Yes. Yeah. Why are you so quick? Why why is this why do you think there’s such a time difference between your mommy and me?

[00:39:24] Because for females, it’s a bit easier. But for men, it’s especially in the Asian culture, it’s just, you know, you’re a man. You have to accept those things. It’s a masculinity. It’s masculinity. Did you feel like he was losing? Because, you know, like having the first son in Asian culture, it’s super power. My gosh, I had so many responsibilities. You know, I had to take off the name. And, you know, I was carrying on that, you know. So to him, it felt like he was losing like the son.

[00:39:50] But then he gained a daughter. So then, yes, I was really one of the quotes as well as quickly tweeted out. So your dad was saying on the article, so when I need that car was not a man. I imagined all the curious and nasty questions from family, friends and neighbors. I have asked myself these questions to find ways to protect my daughter. I told them that I always wished I had two children, a boy and a girl. The first son, Kevin was and accomplishments. The second Jason is a boy. And now I have a daughter, Kara. My dream is completed. Also read that out. I was like, wow. Even though it did take your dad a couple of years. Like when you came forward at sbx. Right. And then you had that from your dad. Did you feel that’s your idea of what your parents had to go through? Change a lot?

[00:40:30] Yeah, I was just so proud of them because I didn’t realize they had to go through it that much because from the outside, from me watching them, they seemed fine. Yeah. Yeah. They just tried to keep up being strong for me. And I was trying to be strong for them. But will bif suffering in silence. Right. And you guys didn’t talk much during this whole process, did you? We talked about only positive things. We never talked about the negatives.

[00:40:54] Initially when you made the video about coming out on YouTube, like was, how do you come to that point saying you wanted to make a view that your coming out as a trans was more within myself?

[00:41:05] I just need to let it out. I was dating a gay guy at that point. And yeah, he kind of helped me just be myself. And he just was like, you do what you need to do. It’s like, was it coming to a point? Where was it kind of like affecting your relationship? Sam was of course, he saw me drifting away, but he just had to support it. Wow. So how long were you guys safe before you came out to him as trans? Wow. And then we’re together for another six months or so. And did did did the dynamic change after you told him that you were trans? Yeah. I think it is because I was going for his. I was like, blossoming. And he just had to kind of watch. And obviously, he’s not into girls. And the more feminine I became, the more he was just like, you know, like. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work, but we’re best friends now. Like, I see him all the time. We always face time. He’s like one of the closest people in my life.

[00:42:05] Oh, so he’s trans. Do you transition your relationship from being partners to best friends? Yeah. Let’s substitute that suspicion. You guys must have a really special connection. We do, too. I reckon you guys are kind of like soulmates, but in like a different kind of summer.

[00:42:20] It’s not icy like that. You guys, I’ll see you gets me. You guys actually like relationship advice, stuff like that all the time. Like he has a new boyfriend and I love like him and his boyfriend.

[00:42:31] Yeah.

[00:42:32] I want to go back as well, because I want to talk about how, you know, you feel a little bit. It’s because I’m reading the paper now that Henry was. Can I say his name?

[00:42:41] Yeah. You can have a lover if you want to shout a shout out to Henry.

[00:42:44] He was the guy that you dated for four and a half years. And he’s had such a big crucial role as well in your life. And so how do you actually actually meet?

[00:42:54] So Henry and I went out clubbing for the first time and we met. Yes. That my friends, Ken’s apartment. There’s a photo somewhere. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:43:03] I was wild that night.

[00:43:04] I think I was on the pole swaggers swag. Yeah.

[00:43:08] Was just before the transition off the transition before you was like my first like wild experience. Like I never like went clubbing or anything. I just was a granny.

[00:43:18] I remember a room because it was due to I think with your first time that he came, your first super quiet, sat next to each other in the middle of the room. Yeah. And every noise is just like yanking and just like sitting quietly together.

[00:43:30] You guys, me, me and Henry. I messaged him through Facebook. I kept seeing him randomly, but I just kept seeing this guy and then I saw him on my Facebook and then added him and messaged him. My friend told me to do it because I would never do something like that. Yeah, my friends, like, just just away. Like he might be your soulmate.

[00:43:51] You never know.

[00:43:52] Okay. Moving on to a lot of people who are listening. I feel the same thing to a lot of people. Don’t have a lot of education towards the trans community. Someone who’s going through what you’re going through as well. What’s like the best kind of process or how would you kind of tell them in a way to experiments?

[00:44:12] I remember like for examples, like armor as a child for me, because I identify as a gay man. Right. But remember, as a child, I remember thinking that I wanted to be the pink ranger. Like so like I had, I guess, like the early song of my childhood. I was like, I really wanna be the pink Ranger, old yellow ranger or whatever. Right. So how do you distinguish that between being just like just one be feminine as a gay guy to aim trans?

[00:44:40] That’s the hard thing. That was my struggle throughout my whole life. But I think I had a moment where I was just like even when I came out as gay and I was putting on makeup every day. But when I went home and took it all, I felt not like me. I felt incomplete. I felt. Just insecure. And that’s how I knew that I wanted to live full time as a woman, because at that time I was like, I’m gender fluid. I could, you know, switch to whatever gender I want to feel like, you know. But. I found myself living as a woman, you know, all the time.

[00:45:14] What I want to ask was for people who are feeling the same thing, what’s kind of the next step? They should kind of take or approach. They should take towards if they’re feeling the same way that you’re feeling like that, they might be trying. Yes. Just be true to yourself. Stop like filtering out things, stop lying to yourself. Just look yourself in the mirror and be like you, Emma. Mm. Yeah.

[00:45:39] I think one of the best advice we’ve done was Jirgah and she said if you think you’re trans, the best way to start is to drag because that way you get to pretend to be a women and see if you’re comfortable with that.

[00:45:51] And if you just want to live full time like that, then you know moving forward too. How is your dating life now. It is really good now. Yeah, but literally a few months ago, I was like I felt until like a little depression because I went through such a bad breakup and I was in a quite toxic relationship and I didn’t even know until I left. But now I found someone that could potentially be my soulmate, honestly. Like, that’s big to say about this guy. It’s the most supportive person. And he lets me be me. Wow. Yeah. It’s a harder today as a trans woman, of course, because. Like, do you have to come out? Every day, every single day. Yeah, yeah. How does that conversation go? Oh, my gosh. It’s just so awkward because most people won’t know that’s all unless they know me for NCM or YouTube or whatever. But most guys don’t know. So you literally have to tell them before anything happens just to save yourself, but obviously do it in a safe way. You got to be in public or you can’t be alone with the person. Okay. Yeah. In case like they can. You don’t. You don’t. Yeah. Have you had any kind of never negative experiences when you told them, you know. Because I’m quite smart with how I tell people. I don’t ever lead someone on. Yeah. So I’ll tell them before it kind of shit my shot. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Because. Because I have friends of sorts of people who tell after a few dates.

[00:47:18] Yeah. I think that’s like the wrong way to go. Yeah. It’s. You need and let them know what they’re in for. Do you ever do you think. Does anyone come a time where you don’t have to. You didn’t have to come out as a trans when you could just be like I’m just a woman. I mean if you get in bed with them or you want to start a future with them, I think they need to know just out of respect, you know? How does your partner kind of feel about having children in the future as well? While he has a kids. So that’s a big benefit for me because obviously I can’t have my own kids. Well, I can’t because I froze my sperm. Oh, yeah. So I can have a second surrogate mother in the future. But yeah, he’s not opposed to having another kid. So not expensive. Freezing your score. Yeah. How did you even know how to do that? Like, I just I’ve always wanted kids. So that was the first thing I thought about when I took coal mines. I was like, what do you want to be doing? Like 20, something, 21, 22? Yeah. I was I always think about kids. I love you. Yeah. Yeah. Ever since I was young and like, I’ve just loved kids do pay like a monthly subscription fee. It’s every six months. You have to pay until you use it. So I would probably have kids. I’m like 30 something. Wow. Oh.

[00:48:30] What I want to ask is like, do you have any kind of. Is there any misconception about the trans community that you kind of. A lot people always say that kind of makes you annoyed or angry that trans people are just men.

[00:48:43] More guys dressing up as girls. That’s the biggest. Like dresses, cross-dressers. That’s the biggest misconception. Misconception for me. Yeah. Can I just answered a question and this might sound really stupid. No. You know, in Thailand have ladyboys, Ryan. Why do you call them ladyboys, ladyboys, a sex workers? Isn’t that right? Is that right? I’m not sure. I don’t know. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Sex workers. Yeah, they pretty much translate a lot of a lot of these people are gay men looking for money because if they stay gay, they’re not gonna make the money. Yes. They get boob implants based on. But they leave what’s downstairs. Yeah, but still they can be trans. It’s just there’s everyone’s different. Yeah. Yeah. But I think ladyboys at six workers. Because even when I went Thailand in the beginning my transition I still I was lockable they sell my cars. Yeah. They said look up. So I went to the clubs, they said look up. And they looked at my cars up there like you you ladyboy. I’m like no I’m not ladyboy. I’m transgender. They’re like ladyboy sex worker. Ladyboys був. You said this to the bouncer. The bouncer? Yeah. And they said, you can’t come in unless you pay for a table. Because if you don’t pay for a table, you’re a sex worker. Because you can’t afford it. Oh, my goodness. Because a lot of ladyboys going there to work. Yeah. And money. Yeah. I see. So I thought that you were a sex worker trying to get. Yeah. Yeah. So it wasn’t like a discriminating. There’s just what you to make money so. Yeah but the numbers it showed my Australian passport and the like not sex worker from overseas.

[00:50:22] Oh shit.

[00:50:22] I thought that Thailand be like more of like a progressive country. They there’s not they’re very discriminating like towards trans people. It’s crazy. It’s true. Is there anything that someone shouldn’t ask you any questions which is off topic if they want to know more about you off topic? I think it’s more about like.

[00:50:40] Well, sensitivity. Yeah. Like what’s downstairs or like, do you still have it? That’s the main thing people always ask and I never answer because it’s such a you don’t need to know unless you’re getting into bed with me. Yeah. Why do you need to know? You ask what genitals you have sex. That’s kind of like when we don’t touch African-American hair like this central valuesand that’s a little sensitive topic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And before we finish, what are some things you always carry in your handbag or makeup bag?

[00:51:09] Oh, my gosh. I carry everything. And the ties are moisturizer, lip, eyebrow, pencil, eyeliner, eyelash, glue.

[00:51:19] You never know what’s the most important makeup artist to use.

[00:51:23] You have to use for me, it’s eyelash glue because I get teary hay fever. So my eyelashes always come off. Yes, I always escalate everywhere I go. Do you see it like falsies on the falsies arm, eyelash extensions? You know, I used to when I first started seeing my man because I didn’t want to look like waking up. Yes, totally. I just got comfortable with him and he’s fine with it. So, yeah, I used to be addicted to it.

[00:51:49] Next one is if you could follow any person dead or alive on social media or who doesn’t have social media. Who would it be?

[00:51:55] This is always forms of what we normally do. Give you a heads up on this one. Fagot.

[00:52:02] I give you a few examples where someone say Michael Jackson was a really good one. I was thinking that. Yeah, he’s passed away. I love Michael. Stevie Wonder, too.

[00:52:11] Yeah, I mean, like, oh, he’s blind now.

[00:52:15] But I would say Michael, he’s like one of my idols. Yeah. Do you think he’d be like on Instagram? Be awesome. He’ll be a trendsetter.

[00:52:23] Well, just like he he you’ll be with us, champ.

[00:52:26] Peezy called his white sand beaches chimpanzee chimpanzee. The name I forgot.

[00:52:32] But he’ll be a typical star. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah.

[00:52:36] Well, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. And we’ll have to touch you very soon. Yes. Bye bye. Well, that was Cora Tran. And if you did enjoy that conversation, you can go follow her in her Instagram, which would’ve been so nice. And you can also follow us on Instagram at lemon podcasts and join our lemon community. We can chat to our other listeners. And these comments, subscribe to us on iTunes, a castle, wherever you get your podcasts from.

[00:53:04] And we’ll be back next week. It is. We’ll see you guys next time. Bye bye.

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