Jenny Zhou: What’s it’s like working in China’s entertainment industry
Jenny Zhou: What's it like working in China's entertainment industry

Jenny Zhou: What’s it’s like working in China’s entertainment industry

HELLO and welcome to this week’s chat with LEMON.

This week we are joined by a really good friend of the show, Jenny Zhou
She was our first guest on the show and we got so much great feedback on Jenny’s energy

We interviewed Jenny a while back, right after she had just come back home to Melbourne after a stint in LA auditioning for TV pilots and movies
When it comes to breaking the Asian mould, Jenny’s the girl.

Right after graduating high school, Jenny did one semester of law school before deciding that she wanted to go to a Shanghai acting school.

She made the most of her time there and broke into China’s entertainment industry.

She was a host of a popular kids music show, had her own daily morning radio breakfast show AND even had roles in several Netflix series.

In this chat, we discuss about her reason behind moving to China to pursue a career and how much the entertainment industry in Australia has changed for aspiring Asian performers.

The full interview and show is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Subscribe to us to stay updated when we drop a new episode!


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[00:00:00] One of your videos, yes, she mentioned how you and the Sri Lanka were fighting for a train. Oh, my, that was absolutely hilarious. Could you explain that again?

[00:00:07] Well, I’m not even Korean. But it was like an educational films. I like looking back now that it wasn’t even that good, but I really wanted it and other imagining myself getting the Oscars and everything.

[00:00:16] And so we had three rounds and it was just to be like a kind of schoolgirl who got lost and got into a bit of trouble. The name was like it was a very Korean name. And then at the very last round, it was me and her. And I told my mom I was like, okay, I’ve got this because even the parents name acerbic Korean, I was like, they’re not gonna change it just because of like they’re causing someone else really dumb of me. And then this other girl who was a Caucasian who was reading alongside me for another role and she kept forgetting her lines, she was like all over the place.

[00:00:42] She was older than me. So I think she was just had like a lot more going on. And then none of us got the role. And then they offered me like a tiny bit pot and was just like a one day shoot. And I got there and I was like, who’s this character? Because the character name changed.

[00:00:55] And she walked out and I was like, Yeah.

[00:01:09] Hello and welcome to this week’s chat with LEMON. This week we are joined by a really good friend of the show. Miss Jenny Zow. She was our first guest on the show. And we’ve got so much great feedback on her energy.

[00:01:20] We interviewed Jenny a while back right after she had just come back home to Melbourne after a stint in L.A. auditioning for TV pilots and movies. When it comes to breaking the Asian mode, Jenny, is that go right after graduating high school? Jenny did one semester of law school before deciding that she wanted to go to Shanghai to pursue acting school. She made the most of a time there and broke into China’s entertainment industry. She was a host of popular TV shows, including a kids’ Music Show, How to Daily Morning Radio Breakfast Show, and even had roles in several Netflix series in this chat. We discussed about her reasons behind them to China to pursue her career and how much the entertainment industry in Australia has changed for aspiring Asian performers. We hope you enjoyed this chat with Jenny. Thanks for joining us, Jenny.

[00:02:04] I mean, who are they talking about?

[00:02:08] What do you how do you feel after hearing that kind of being just that way?

[00:02:11] I kind of like an imposter. It’s like, yeah, I’ve kind of done all that stuff. But then, like, not as cool as you made it sound.

[00:02:17] Yeah, yeah. Definitely. We feel like we’ve been following you for a while. And so like I any actually on the show. OK. So we just thought, you know, the interview with every like the same question we ask every guest.

[00:02:26] So what are you listening to or watching or listening to or reading?

[00:02:30] I just finished watching. Well, TV shows. I just finished watching working moms, which had nothing to do with me. I love in the Canadian comedy. I think I just get Canadian comedy more than American because it’s a bit more like goofy. Yeah. And then like, I’m not a mom and I’m not pregnant.

[00:02:44] But I just relate so well. What’s the show about for people who haven’t seen it?

[00:02:47] So it’s like a bunch of fool friends and they go to like a baby K kind of area, like a pre-school thing. And then they all talk about their kids, like how their boobs are sagging, what they vagina’s a lag after giving birth and like trying to maintain a job, but also like pick up your kid from day-care and the boss is like, do you want your career or do you want to be a mom?

[00:03:04] So this is like the show where she’s like in the toilet, like trying to, like, pump that sound.

[00:03:10] Someone comes in, they like, he’s your cock. I’m with them. The lady with lip. Yes. Yes. Well, actually, going to the show is I couldn’t get past the first episode because all I could think was I just kept staring at her lip.

[00:03:24] But she looks like she’s always smiling because I linked you last night with the tick tock trend at the moment with people on took a glowing off.

[00:03:33] It looks ugly. Yes. They’re actually glowing their lips. So it looks like maybe that’s where she got it from. A lot of it. Yes.

[00:03:40] All right. So, yeah, we wanted to make you so close. You know, obviously, we think you’re very inspiring. You’re representing Asian people in the media say, you know, you’re born in Melbourne. So where were you raised? In Melbourne.

[00:03:50] And so kind of a little bit all over Melbourne. My parents really liked moving around. So I think I was born in Clayton, grew up in South Melbourne, then was in sunshine for a bit, went to Rich Fitzroy Fitzwilliam. You moved around, Temple started and. Q And now I’m in. No, wait.

[00:04:10] I don’t want to say where I live now. Somewhere on the east end of the day. Yeah.

[00:04:15] And so like, what kind of hardware you like where we always been like entertainment like.

[00:04:20] Oh yeah. I think even in kindergarten they get you to like say what you want.

[00:04:25] And all the kids were like, I want to be a firefighter when I grow up. I’m like, I want to be a unicorn.

[00:04:29] And then I was just like, I want to be famous and make a lot of money. Lovely. Etc. But it’s say like Chinese pirates, cause my hands are always like, you got to make money to live like buddy makes this world go round.

[00:04:40] So when I was younger, I did like ballet singing and stuff and my mom actually enrol me in acting because I was super shy. But I always wanted to be a singer. But then I wanted to be a singer and I don’t know. But I was just really shy. So my mum forced me to go to acting school and kind of bring it out of me. Like even when the teacher would do roll call and say my name, I wouldn’t even respond because I was so shy.

[00:04:59] How did she know that you’re like you’re into acting?

[00:05:01] Well, actually, my hands are both Kwai Autistic. My dad’s a really good drawing.

[00:05:06] Like he takes photography. He’s actually really good singer. My grandpa sings. My grandma dances. My mom almost actually became an actor. But she couldn’t do it because, you know, I had to feed the family, had to do like work and stuff. So she wanted me to have these hobbies, but she didn’t want me to have it as like a career.

[00:05:22] Yeah, because I was looking at your resume. It’s quite extensive. Like you play the piano, you play the clarinet.

[00:05:26] How did you find her resume? It was kind of like an elite school as well.

[00:05:34] Oh, yeah. So which is why it’s like your mom and your parents gave you these tools. But it’s quite traditional. They don’t want us to act upon it.

[00:05:40] They were so traditional, like when I was a child. I was so busy. I had ballet class, piano class. It almost made me do violin.

[00:05:45] But like it would hurt my fingers I the days and they made me to clarinet my fingers too skinny and they wouldn’t like fill up the holes and then she’ll like find a flute because that’s so ladylike. But then I had do for every single subject in Chinese school on the weekends and then like English and maths class after Chinese school but didn’t know about Asian mums are the original momager as they smile on me.

[00:06:05] So Christina and do you remember like. No, you don’t. You do remember, like enjoying going to do all those extracurricular activities.

[00:06:14] I think the only cause I really enjoyed doing was drawing. I actually used to really hate ballet class. I like dance class, but I hated ballet because of all the classical music. And I find it really boring and keep yawning. And the teacher was like, Jenny, I’d pay attention.

[00:06:26] I don’t know anything else. I didn’t really know.

[00:06:28] I wanted to do piano when I was younger, but then my mom would sit next to me and make me play like two to three hours a day. So then I started hating it. And maybe do you like all the maybe grade’s was just kills any sort of passion whatsoever.

[00:06:40] I’m like, go just crazy. What’s the turning point for your parents? Because they wanted, you know, these hobbies but not really pursue it. So when did they give you those blessings, too?

[00:06:49] When I was when I woke up in year 9 and 10, I started doing like short films for like VCA and male students. My mom would always drive me to do auditions. He drive me to shooting. It was like 5 a.m. and like the middle of nowhere. She’d always pick me up in the middle of the night. So she’s always been supportive. After high school, she was kind of like, you guys, you need to get into a good course, you get into a good union, then you can do whatever you want afterwards. So then I got into law like they wanted me to.

[00:07:11] And then after semester, I was like, who are we kidding here? I’m not gonna graduate from this. I’m not gonna become a lawyer because I’m too like whatever about everything.

[00:07:20] And she’s like, if you really want to be an actor, then you should go back to China. Because at the time, like six years ago in Australia, it was really like a business or to be an Asian acting. So then she was actually the one who kind of pushed me to go to China.

[00:07:32] That’s really good. She’s so into, you know what? She thinks you’re really good. Because most plans, like, would want you to stay at uni. Yeah. Hotham, like, you know, start uni and. Yeah, make sure you finish your pencil like, okay, go and go to China. Like we’re gonna let you go.

[00:07:46] Well, she was like good for two years and then like come back and finish a degree. And I had deferred my degree. And then at the end of two years I kind of got into right and then I was like, I’m not coming back anytime soon. But now I’m doing another degree to keep them happy. You know what I’m doing? Like some distance ed online degree is like Bachelor of International Relations. My dad is like my daughters doing this amazing degree.

[00:08:05] And you’re doing it just to make just like keep them. Yeah, I get it. Like you just like secure.

[00:08:10] It was kind of like a lack of judgment. I was like, I need to do something. And then I enrolled and then I actually got in bed. You can complete it over the course of eight years. I’m just gonna slowly do it in the background.

[00:08:19] It gives me something to do when the downtime. Yeah.

[00:08:21] Yeah. So like you, NVC. You are doing you’re also doing v.c subjects. Also doing like acting school nisid.

[00:08:29] Yeah, well that acting class was kind of part of v.c, so it’s called like a Viti call.

[00:08:33] So there were all the like things that a traditional Veazey wouldn’t offer said you’d had like kind of hairdressing and cooking and acting and stuff as well. So I did that and an actually added to i_v_c_ school so that my mom was kind of like, okay with that as well.

[00:08:45] Did you feel a bit of like pressure, like, you know, cause a bunch of your friends would have been doing like byour chemistry, actually. Good chemistry.

[00:08:53] Good. I did like methods and stuff as also I did like Hoffe Asian and then the rest were like not very Asian and yeah, half Asian, half white.

[00:09:01] So yeah. Yeah. We also mentioned that when you initially you also do a bit of film and acting as well. Yeah. How was that like? Is it very different from where you were in China compared to Australia.

[00:09:11] It’s very different now as well, like five years ago. I don’t know if I just had like an really average Asian don’t want to bash on her, but just the Asia now.

[00:09:21] No, no, no. Not at all. I mean, you can speak freely. And I would get like three auditions a year.

[00:09:28] It’ll be stuff like dance academy and like make a mermaid. So was all good stuff. Like by the time I was leaving, they were kind of looking into more Asians, but it’ll be like a very general like, oh, it’s okay, we’ll start seeing everyone, but they’ll still cast like a blonde haired person. But I remember in high school when I was applying for things, even for short films, I was like Caucasian, blue eyes, blond hair, like they would actually say Caucasian. Now, like audition things I rarely ever say like Caucasians, only they would say like all ethnicities are welcome, which doesn’t mean they’re gonna cost an ethnic person, but at least you get to audition.

[00:09:58] That’s true. And what are your videos? Yes. She mentioned how you and the Sri Lanka girl were finding for a train. Oh, my, that was absolutely hilarious. Could you explain that again?

[00:10:06] Well, I’m not even Korean. But it was like educational films. I like looking back now that it wasn’t even that good, but I really wanted it and other imagining myself getting the Oscars and everything.

[00:10:15] And then so we had three rounds and it was just to be like a kind of schoolgirl who got lost and got into a bit of trouble. The name was like it was a very Korean name. And then at the very last round, it was me and her. And I told my mom I was like, okay, so I’ve got this because even the parents name IACP, a Korean. I was like, they’re not gonna change it just because of like they’re causing someone else really dumb of me. And then this other girl who was a Caucasian who was reading alongside me for another role and she kept forgetting her lines, she was like all over the place.

[00:10:42] She was older than me. So I think she was just had like a lot more going on. And then none of us got the role. And then they offered me like a tiny bit part. And it was just like a one day shoot. And I got there and I was like, who’s this character? Because the character name changed. And she walked out.

[00:10:55] And I was like, yeah. And then the parents came out. They were white as well. And I was like, what?

[00:11:01] Marshall which has pretty much the whole race.

[00:11:03] Yeah. So it’s kind of like it wasn’t because we were really, really bad at.

[00:11:07] I guess she was like, I don’t know what the directors had in mind or she did something that kind of sparked the interest, like props to her for auditioning for one role and getting another one that was like bigger than her own.

[00:11:17] Where do you find these auditions? Your agent finds them, right?

[00:11:20] Yeah. So when I was younger, we didn’t have an agent. There’d be websites like Star Now and stuff where you get like paid work and unpaid work. So you create a profile and then email everyone. But when you have an agent, they can submit you on things like Show Cause, which has like feature films and like big TV shows, whatever. And they could submit you and then they’ll look through it and then they can ask you and invite you in for an audition ourself.

[00:11:39] And when you get there’s like character profiles, like, you know, they’re saying like all Asian character, whatever is that description of what Asian characters like. Do you. Is it like did I typecast the Asian characters or actually just got one yesterday?

[00:11:53] It’s for like some sort of indie feature film. And they’re like, she’s Australian, Asian, but she wants to be known more as Australian, very strict parents. But she’s also like very determined and like rebellious as well. So I think everything is different. Sometimes I just want them to be Asian for the sake of it. But usually they’ll lean to like Vietnamese, Asian or like Korean, Asian or Japanese, Asian, like I rarely ever see.

[00:12:13] Like they want a Chinese Asian.

[00:12:15] Yeah. What do you think that is? I don’t know.

[00:12:18] Like even when I was in L.A., even if it was a Chinese role, a majority of the people auditioning well, Koreans and Japanese. But I think maybe like Western culture can’t.

[00:12:25] It’s either like they can only tell the difference or I think perhaps they don’t want to be racist.

[00:12:33] Now, you never.

[00:12:34] You never leave. Never say that.

[00:12:36] I just think maybe Koreans, the Japanese have a more Asian look that Western people imagine us Asians to look like. Does that make sense?

[00:12:44] Yeah, I reckon like it’s to do K-pop, to be honest. Yeah. Because like if you watch it, you see like American media like. There’s a lot of Korean Asian role. Yeah. You hardly ever see, you know, like you said, Chinese yen or like Malaysian Chinese or whatever. And I don’t know. Do I feel like it’s Sunday of K-pop like me? Because they never like, you know, because I only had a one race of Asians at the time and more exposure.

[00:13:07] And it’s like how Chinese people say, like all America only likes like ugly looking Chinese people because they have that kind of image ingrained in their mind. Of course, they’re not ugly, but Chinese people have a different definition of beauty. Well, it’s actually like more kind of like Korean beauty standards. And they have like the tiny face and the big eyes. Yeah.

[00:13:21] And so it’s in the script. I don’t know if you read it, but I said the video with you last time on this is if you haven’t even seen the video. But in a nice neighbour, the neighbours.

[00:13:32] Yeah. This is this is a 90 minute now wild time. Yeah.

[00:13:36] So did you find like did you want to move to China because there weren’t any roles in like there’s a jobs for Asians in the Australian media.

[00:13:44] I actually never really imagined myself working or living in China. Like I visited when I was younger. But obviously, even though I am Chinese, there was still a cultural barrier. And I think just growing up in Australia and watching Australian shows and American shows, I always wanted to go to America. I always wanted to work in Western culture just because I watched that and I wanted to see myself in that. So taking the step and going to China was actually a very random step for me. But I’m really glad I did because it was nothing like I expected, but obviously made me grow as a person as well. But it just showed me how much of a cultural barrier I still had when I went there like I’m Chinese, but I really struggled when I went there.

[00:14:19] What was it like when you moved there like that? Was it like jobs flying through your door?

[00:14:23] So like I went there to study at Shanghai Academy. When I went there, I did Chinese Ribisi and I thought I was okay. I moved to Shanghai. Nobody spoke Shanghainese anymore because everyone was just from everywhere. And then I didn’t even realize this, but there’s like 70 provinces part of China. And they all had like a kind of different accent, like people from Bombay would have like a really different accent, two people who are from Shanghai and then Mandarin. So like, I could barely understand anyone. I couldn’t even order a bowl of noodles.

[00:14:48] So, like, you know how much I like talking now. I was basically mute for the first year I was there. I didn’t know what was going on.

[00:14:54] And I didn’t want to say anything because people like a Chinese, like like you’re Chinese say rubbish and like. But I was born in Australia. They’re like, you’re not Australian. They’re like Australians. A why in Oz? Okay.

[00:15:03] Identity crisis. Yes. And then some white guys won’t be like me.

[00:15:06] Helmond like like all of you. And I was like, seriously?

[00:15:10] So. So you moved to China. So how did school. That school. Yeah. How did you get your first radio gig at TFM?

[00:15:19] So we had this classical tights, which is where you just learn like the Chinese language, how to say probably and like memorize a lot of poems. And then a teacher from there, he actually I think he might have studied overseas before. So he kind of knew better English. He was Shanghainese. So he actually had so much patience and kind of guided me more than the other teachers. And then in the morning, we have morning exercise like 6:00 a.m. every morning. And then there’s also always a teacher who comes and kind of overlooks a thing. And he would always come to me and like practice just even sounds of manual, like Chouchou, like just over and over again. He would give me like a book to practice with. And then he I think he used to work in radio. So in Shanghai radios all under SMG. So like every radio station is all about one corporation. And then he knew that the two pop channels were opening up a new kind of Western music channel and they were auditioning people. And then we also have a presenting course at our school. So they send a bunch of their students in, which is his class. And he’s like, he should go anyway, because, you know, you can speak English and you know a lot about music. And I was like, I never really thought about going to write it. So I accompanied one of his students and then the lady was like, You should audition, too. And I was like, okay. And then I was actually about to leave China that year because I was really struggling re-involved in uni, made an Instagram post about it and then commit.

[00:16:31] Yeah, like in the hotel room before I was leaving.

[00:16:33] And then they emailed me and they’re like, your job starts like next week.

[00:16:36] And I was like, oh, so I guess they’re got to stay with it.

[00:16:40] So it was still your second year in Shanghai.

[00:16:42] So it was the end of the first year. So I was like literally gonna go in the plane the next day and I got the email that night.

[00:16:48] Wow. And Hezi really kind of open any doors for you, for sure.

[00:16:52] I my firstly, my Mandarin improved so much of the radio. We had like a three month intensive internship at the start. Well, we just had to keep recording things and actually learn how to be a presenter because I never had proper training and all the other kids were either graduated or professional radio people already. So they were just force me to speak Mandarin every day and then they were like, oh well if you dont know the web mandarin site and Shanghainese, if you dont know in Shanghainese, just say it in English. We just want ten minutes of like uninterrupted audio from you. Doesn’t matter what language. So that’s kind of what Berthe like my language switching.

[00:17:21] So you do a lot of switch between English and Mandarin.

[00:17:24] Kind of only me. I mean but I mean other people can do it, but maybe they can’t. I don’t know.

[00:17:29] Other listeners like or like like like people who can send Chinese or well out of the Shanghai station.

[00:17:36] I think we can train in other places, but most of our listeners would be kind of twenty to thirty five. Like working in PR marketing. So a lot of them were listening to American music, American culture. They knew some English already. So I think it helped in a lot of the much new Shanghainese.

[00:17:50] Well, there was a lot of expats tuning in.

[00:17:52] No, actually. That’s one thing I always push my radio to. I was like, you should market towards the expats because they always listening to this Beijing station. They could be listening to us and they’re like, no, we weren’t like like we Shanghainese listeners.

[00:18:04] I was like, okay, how many listens? You just kind of broadcasts through.

[00:18:07] I think at the peak we had like. 67000. Maybe this dream breakfast show. Yeah, breakfast, I had breakfast, I could just be pulling that on my. I can’t remember, but I miss seeing it on an app site that was on an app, but I didn’t have the actual like car radio things. So I was just on the app.

[00:18:25] Yeah. So I prepared for you. He did like a three month intense like training on your first day. What is that feeling like?

[00:18:32] I went there and we got told off on the first day, like people are really like intense over there. And they’re like, why did you do this when you do that? I was like, oh, my God, I want to go home. And everyone was all professional.

[00:18:42] But at the end of the internship, we had to be given jobs one by one. Only one person didn’t make it. And some people went into like the producing that some people went into song choosing. I was actually the first person to be given their office space to be the host. And everyone was kind of like she can’t even speak.

[00:18:57] And they were some people in China jealous that you came from an Israeli background as well. And that was a bit of the advantage, you know.

[00:19:03] So I thought, this sounds really like myself, but I thought people if I mean, more interesting because I wasn’t ABC, but I found like when I first got there, there was a bit of backlash, like, oh, like you Australians, like you whitewashed Asian, since you’re like better than us, like prime example. The dorm showers literally look like a scene from Seoul. Like it was just a pipe, like 50 pipes.

[00:19:24] And I was like, this is disgusting. I was like, I’m going into my bay. There’s nobody look at me, you know, be tough. Like, talk me, don’t touch me. And then they’re like, oh, like you say, like Princesa, you like on deal, like really nice showers in your dorms in Australia. And I was like, yes, I was like, I don’t have to look at 50 other naked people showering, but kind of like stuff like that.

[00:19:41] It was a hard to make friends.

[00:19:43] At the start, some people thought it interesting.

[00:19:44] So I kind of became friends, but I was more like a really surface based friendship. But when you live with these girls and you see them seven days a week for like three hundred days a year, you kind of have friendships. But I was more friends with someone in my dorm who wasn’t part of my quote was actually.

[00:19:58] Do you think the resentment comes from because like I know in general, not saying that your radio station that like in general, expats get paid more than local Trina’s. Yeah. Do you think that’s where the resentment comes from?

[00:20:09] I shouldn’t have thought of that. But maybe like you could be was at your job than a local, but you’d get paid like triple. So I can see that resentment. Yeah, I actually never thought of that.

[00:20:18] Yeah, well we went to.

[00:20:19] But your pay because I got paid like a lot.

[00:20:24] So what are some like amazing. The uptrends you got into it because I know you’ve been to the Grammys, right.

[00:20:29] That was the question. Sorry. I can play you day too. No. Say radio. I’ve a lot of opportunities. I got to start hosting actual events. The Grammys was part of the first year and we did a live broadcast and I got chosen out of our radio team to go with another guy from the most popular Shanghai station to go to L.A. and cover it. It was a lot less glamorous than I thought. So like we weren’t actually at the Grammys to do the live bold causing studios. It was like a two hour drive from the actual Grammys. So everyone else who came with us, they got to sit there and watch everything. And we had to pretend like we were right there.

[00:20:59] We’re like, oh, my God, we see the walking onstage right now. But we were just watching the livestream feed and it’s like tiny room. And there’s like ten rings all to get.

[00:21:06] Some of like Japan and Korea were all like broadcasting at the same time.

[00:21:09] So while you do like mic like commentate on on the red carpet, actually just history.

[00:21:16] I wasn’t very good at it because the other guy did it every year. So he kind of knew what was happening. But I was kind of there just to tell him who’s who because everyone’s like, oh, these black people look the same. Like, which of us is it now? Because I play predominately Chinese music. So it’s really stressful because it’s live. And when there’s anything sensitive that comes on or like anything political that comes on, you have to switch it off straight away and start promoting random stuff at home on the radio.

[00:21:36] Yes, it was a Delinda’s station at least.

[00:21:39] Usually we have a three second delay if alive.

[00:21:42] But for that one, I don’t think we had like we didn’t have a delay. But the station at home had a delay because we were on like a coal connecting China and L.A. together. Yeah.

[00:21:50] And it was anything sensitive that happened during the Grammys?

[00:21:53] Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. There was like a video about sexual abuse or something and I was like zoned out because there’s like a three hour thing. And then the guy was like, oh, what’s going on?

[00:22:02] Jennie-o is like, oh, my gosh. And I was like a switch, like a hedge. And then we’re like, oh, what’s coming up next? It was like, amazing. He just died. There’s a there’s a dump button.

[00:22:10] Right. So you can dump that. The last.

[00:22:12] Yeah. How it works. Yeah. So they have to do it back at home though. So we will like Consilience which are being like they like what’s happening. Why did you guys say anything we like. We can’t because there’s this thing that we can’t show at the moment, you know.

[00:22:22] Have you ever had to like cross to commercial at all.

[00:22:26] I don’t think in my show, but in someone else’s show we had. But the morning show was really stressful because you never know who’s gonna call into the station. You never know what they’re gonna say. And to even do that whole three second dump like this, so many buttons like, I’m glad I didn’t have to do it cause I probably would have like accidently shut down the entire station.

[00:22:41] How did that lead into integrating a big selling Kindle? Kendall General?

[00:22:44] Oh, yeah. So that opened up a lot of hosting jobs for me.

[00:22:47] So a lot of marketing and PR companies would find a way chat or like some of the radio would give it to them and be like, we have this event coming and we have an international star and we need you to interview them and also do like a little bit of a translation. So for Shanghai, any event, I kind of had like an American stock coming, I would usually get the job. And for Kendall János with added us and I previously already worked with added us and one of our old co-hosts moved to.

[00:23:10] That’s so when that job came up, he pitched me for it and then I was like, say, he’s a star because I think I have school, I don’t know if I can do it like we can’t say it. And at first I said she was like, could and I all that. Who’s that? I was like, I don’t even know who the star is. I’ll think I’ll think about it. And then I Googled it and all I could do.

[00:23:28] Don’t remember.

[00:23:31] So you have one on one time with those.

[00:23:33] Oh, that was a bit of like a crazy thing. She was really on time. She was super chill. But I think she just had a lot of media trouble that day. People going off script, not interviewing her with the questions, asking her about boyfriends. So like, obviously you would get annoyed like a PR team was annoyed. And the previous star that was meant to perform before her was like a 30 minute delay. So then her like ten fifteen minute interview turned into like two minutes and 10 into me being like, did you have a ball?

[00:23:56] And then she had to leave was literally like thirty seconds high.

[00:24:00] So I said initially these radio gigs set are so many opportunities as well. Is there anything that you’ve wanted to do in China that you’ve always kind of wanted pursues?

[00:24:09] Well, I used to really when I work at MTV because I really like music, but I don’t think their presence is that they can shine anymore. But I really wanted to do.

[00:24:16] I really wanted to be Asia like China Girl for like a news entertainment because they had this beautiful girl doing in the moment when it when will you retire, which is why I had a baby recently.

[00:24:28] Unlike me, and also like any of the fashion TV things, just coverage like if an international film came over like red carpet coverage, but it had to be part of like Entertainment Tonight or in-use or something. So I would love to do something like that.

[00:24:40] Was your job opportunities quite big in Shanghai or did you kind of help kind of take what you could get as well for hosting?

[00:24:45] It was quite big for acting. Another story before hosting at the start, I felt like I kind of had to take what I got. And like, I felt like I had to take a really, really big pay cut because I was like, ah, I’m not a professional. My Chinese isn’t that good. I would hold myself down. And it wasn’t until kind of the third year, like, I got to stop picking and choosing. And then I was like, this is my right, take it or leave it. And then they’ll always try to undercut you. And then I’m like, okay, I’m not doing it. And then I’ll come back a day later, like our client said, we can give it to you now.

[00:25:10] And I think you’ll always have the budget. You just want to just give up.

[00:25:14] I love when people come crawling back. And you’re also doing a bit of, um. I read you’re doing a bit of a cute show as well. Oh, yeah.

[00:25:20] So that was presenting. So I got that through the radio station and I was like a kids’ music show, but it’s predominately Chinese music, so I had no idea what was going on. I could barely read Chinese. So I felt really bad for the other co-host because I always had to feed me lines and there was a rolling screen in the front, but I could never really see.

[00:25:36] What is that? I was literally just kind of like ad libbing what was going on like, oh yeah, I did that artist. That sounded great. Let’s go to the next one.

[00:25:42] What is good for like TV presenting like opportunity?

[00:25:45] Because usually episodes like a day.

[00:25:47] Oh my gosh. It was so and I always had to lie to school like, oh my gosh, my passport expired. I have to go because we weren’t allowed to take any days of school. Sometimes we shoot 14 episodes a day, so we would shoot twice a month. And the show once was on every single night.

[00:26:00] What kind of lines are they give you? Like you’ve got to translate to English, follow the lines, be like it was like blinking day or whatever has a new song.

[00:26:07] This is the M.V. And recently he performed it like this awards show and then he was pictured with this person. And then the song has like something like undertones it. There’s like a bit of sex phone in it as just like really like did not know what was going on.

[00:26:20] A big like Chinese pop culture noise.

[00:26:23] So that’s why it was hard because I had no idea who these people were. And I was reading the script as it is as a boy or girl.

[00:26:28] And I had to like it is homework and listen to the music first because it was the biggest try and saw those on the show.

[00:26:35] There weren’t another the morever on the show. I think we got like groups in like, you know, those boy bands, girl bands.

[00:26:41] I don’t remember them. And I think this pebbly new ones out by now because there’s like a fifty bunch of new bands out every year because it’s disparate like heaps of like pop bands coming out and trying to know because they’re coming so mainstream. Yeah. They’re kind of trying to do like the K-pop thing basically to be an act. Now you kind of have to be part of one of those bands first, which is kind of why I left China, because I didn’t want to do one of the bands.

[00:27:04] So yeah, it’s quite strange, but looking at the big TV show from China, it might have gotten more than came from Big Song Creep as well. Yeah. So, you know, coming from that’s you would never go down that kind of musical route or to get in.

[00:27:18] No, I was just never super interested in it when I was younger and I don’t think that’s what my focus is because you’re gonna have to sort this out for like five years today and kind of stick to it and you might not even make it onto the stage. And that’s time when I could have been doing something else. I ate all my sounds a bit like to contract it and stay for me. And it’s just not something that I want to do. Like my agents in China maybe audition for a couple and they ask me, like, do you have D&D experience? I was like, yeah. I trained in ballet for like twelve years to top jazz and the like. Can you do this dance and set me like a K-pop video?

[00:27:46] And I was like, no, I have not. And they’re like, Oh, so you don’t have any dance experience. And I was like, okay.

[00:27:52] Is it is any pressure to be a certain type of like celebrity in China? Like, do you get to get any pressures from from like people from China, you in that industry? I mean, not maybe like a said in Taipei.

[00:28:02] You just have to really be careful of what you say, what you do, what you post, because you have Keeble worries every day. But because China has so many. Well, your career will die in one second, which is why I’ve never really wanted to do reality TV, because you never know how the producer is going to edit you up, which I just took a bachelor it like I don’t want my career to die and have everyone hate me before I even get a chance to show them what I actually wanted to do.

[00:28:25] So. So have you ever done anything that bit that’s been like trolled by the Chinese people warriors?

[00:28:32] Oh, I don’t know.

[00:28:34] I’ve done like a few like Internet shows, but I haven’t completely watched them. But I know a couple of the shows have a lot of hate comments. Not not all of them were directed at me, but I just try not to rate and like I can’t be honest half of it anyway.

[00:28:47] It’s the worst when you’ve read about yourself.

[00:28:48] Oh, I remember now you’ve dug up this thing that I push down. So when I was in Australia filming something so the morning show, people kind of got fired. I don’t even want to tell anyone this, but I don’t work there anymore. So they’re like, we need you to take over the morning show.

[00:29:02] And it’s not three hours anymore. It’s four hours and it’s just you by yourself. And I was like, okay. And then when older hosts left at any time, there’s a host shift. You get older fans coming in, hating on everyone. So I had people that liked me. But when I changed shows, all these people came in like go back to Australia. And when Chinese people like, hey, you, they really hate you. They hate your whole family.

[00:29:19] Chinese keyboards. Yeah. I got to say, they’re the worst.

[00:29:22] So, like, you should die like you and your family should die. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, I’m just trying to do a job. I was like, I don’t want to do this for hours either, but please bear with me.

[00:29:29] And I had to constantly going way won’t be like guys like, sorry about the show content at the moment. The quality, like, I’m waiting for people to come back. I’m waiting for new segments to come in.

[00:29:37] And every day was kind of the boss is like, you can’t do this. I mean, I think you just lay everything on me, like, give me one of those boy co-host back.

[00:29:43] And they’re like, they’re not coming back. I was like, what am I supposed to do by myself for four hours?

[00:29:47] But why why they listen to for four hours is no one answer to that question for all haters.

[00:29:52] If you don’t like them, why do you keep watching them just to aggravate us?

[00:30:01] We have more of Jenny Zao coming up. But first, here’s a tweet from today’s sponsor.

[00:30:09] So. So you worked you worked at the radio station for five years, five and a half, I think, but you also was a lock in your last to like to move on from that say, I didn’t really have the budget anymore.

[00:30:21] And they wanted to move in a kind of different ish directions. And me and like the other few girls that spoke a lot more English in their shows. We all got scrapped. But I literally got a WeChat message that was like, your show is not on anymore. And I was like, okay, so is everyone’s show not on anymore? They’re like, just your show. And this person and that person’s. And I was like, OK.

[00:30:38] And then like, we’re not gonna pay for this month either, because we don’t have the budget anymore because there was a huge budget cut. Like, I think entertainment industry is a bit like suffering a bit to see like I know a lot of my friends who’ve lost their job this year. So it’s a really down time. So, yeah, I was kind of pushed out of it.

[00:30:50] But for the previous fee, yes, I was thinking like maybe I should start my own podcast. Maybe I should do it. My friend who let the radio stations that’s always been in the back of my mind. And then at the start of the year, kind of forced me to take the next step. But I was glad because I always say, like, you can’t work somewhere for that long if it’s a retail job. I was I don’t say that for more than two years because then you get sucked and you get too comfortable. If it’s a kerikeri job, I wouldn’t stay there for longer than five years. Like, I definitely hit my mark and my show wasn’t improving and I wasn’t improving in the whole station. Just felt super stagnant to me like it lost direction.

[00:31:20] So it felt like it was time to move on. Definitely time it was overdue.

[00:31:23] Yeah. Did it help you get land that Rolands playing cards from Netflix?

[00:31:27] No. So that was actually from a Australian aged cell?

[00:31:31] Yes, it was actually auditioned for Australian. Then I went back to Australia to do it. But it was like a Chinese co-production. Yeah, well, this was the chosen day.

[00:31:38] What was it like? Because when did you start doing pilots in L.A.?

[00:31:42] So that was this year. I’ve always wanted to go, but things have put me up like I don’t have a visa, I don’t have an Asian. And then I’m just really lazy sales, just like, you know, while I’m stuck here, I might as well just send out emails and I email it. I think eighty five agents got like five replies and I was going to L.A. for a wedding anyway with my moms. I was like, let’s see if I can get any meetings. Went to a few meetings and then went back for more meetings like I’m going to do it without a visa.

[00:32:05] Even if I don’t have an agent, thank God I got one. And then I just went for it.

[00:32:08] You went to L.A. and then you had a housemate who was also a Canadian.

[00:32:12] Yeah. CBC Asaji, how did you guys meet? Like on Instagram? Instagram? Yes.

[00:32:17] She messaged me something about Shanghai Academy because she was thinking of going in and she’s like, I’m going to L.A. like next week. And I was like, me, too. And she’s like, Do you have any way to live? And I was like, no one will. Like she we live together. And also, what if you’re a murderer?

[00:32:31] We got along really well. Yeah.

[00:32:32] Is it like a community of, like, up and coming Asian, all the actors and actresses?

[00:32:37] There definitely is. And there’s a lot of meet ups and events, which is really good. But it’s I find it like quite cliquey. Well, in the nicest way possible. They’re nice people, but it’s like hard to go in. It’s even like one feel like they use a certain group of actors and to get into that will be so difficult. But once you’re in, you literally know everyone. It’s like the vein connects every way. You can know one person and then you’ll know like Henry Golding or something.

[00:32:58] So. So you’re in L.A. for how long? Three months. Three months.

[00:33:00] And was that experience like I was only planning to go for one month, but then things kind of drag on a little.

[00:33:05] I got so many auditions that won, maybe not so many compared to other people, but I was used to getting like two auditions a year in China, three auditions a year from Australia. And I would get three a week on a good week, but at least one every single week. And they all wanted Asian people. And I could go for a non-Asian roles as well, but they ended up costing an Asian, which is insane. It’s good evidence because of crazy rich Asians. Definitely like on every TV show. I had one African-American character usually as like the supporting boyfriend role or the supporting best friend.

[00:33:31] And the Asian girl was always like the best friend role as well, which like I can’t ask them all, but I was like I thought it was amazing.

[00:33:37] It was like the diversity ha in America. So much better than Shirley.

[00:33:41] Yes. Like the first pilot that I auditioned for was Nancy Drew. And it is being made by the Riverdale people for CW. And I read the books and there was this character in it that I was like, this is not a Chinese character. And they actually changed the last name to become an Asian last names. I was like, wow, they’re really committing to this.

[00:33:57] That’s good. I think because of seeing like, you know, once Asian people see all Asian people, just people who are people, Collaroy just so many. And like what you see is self on on TV, you’re gonna be something more interesting, you know?

[00:34:09] Well, even if I was standing at Flinders Street Station the other day waiting for a friend and I was like, I can see three white people right now. And then you watch Australian TV and there’s like one person of colour kind of. But then I was like, this is not like this is why I feel weird sometimes when I watch TV, because it’s like, this is let’s not talk about The Bachelor because like The Bachelor.

[00:34:25] Oh, yeah.

[00:34:28] But anyway, so how do you prepare for audition ’cause you know, have done so many now. Yeah. How do you prepare for a character?

[00:34:34] I’ve had many different ways. I used to just sit there like memorizing everything to death. But that was kind of bad because it’s just me repeating the same lines in my head and I repeat them the same way every time. Because sometimes you get into the room and the director is like, actually, we want you to be angry. And I’m like, Oh, but I’ve been like memorizing this as a sweet girl, so I’ll get you to change all the time. So I tried to stop doing that. So I’ll just kind of deadpan, memorize it and then prepare a few different ways.

[00:34:58] And I also like to wear when I’m going to when the auditions, I can feel comfortable. So I don’t wear a jacket.

[00:35:02] I’m like, oh, I suddenly can’t lose my on this for MBC exams.

[00:35:06] Yes, a lot. Yeah.

[00:35:09] Make sure you eat something as well. Otherwise, you just get a bit like loopy. I used to record myself and then listened to it, but I think sometimes I can throw you off. But if it’s an American accent, if I have time, I will record myself and pick out the parts where the accent fell through. If I have time and money might have a one on one coaching session, which helps so much because the person who’s reading the lines back to you is also an actor.

[00:35:30] So like I have amazing friends who read for me, but sometimes I like, oh my God. Wow, what happened?

[00:35:37] Freak out on the other end, which sounds like as an actress, does it take a lot of. Because I know when I watch lot interviews of people who do act, they say it takes a lot of look, you need time to recover afterwards as well. Off you play several.

[00:35:50] Yeah.

[00:35:51] I mean, I wouldn’t even consider myself an actress, but I’m trying I’m trying to be living in like four, four, five films. So, of course, I’m an actress. No one’s really watched it. But we watch. We watch. We watch the real life drama go like that to say like we’re winning.

[00:36:06] No. Locked in an interview like every last like late last week. That time Damba when she got to go and sit and watch you die.

[00:36:13] It’s just 72 hours. I always watch it at my school. I screen every time I watch myself. I’m just like, I’m always a question.

[00:36:22] What kind of character is like playing the most bitchy character?

[00:36:25] Oh, no, I think I would. My dream character will be like the quirky friend. And this is what I told my agents when I had agents in China. And then they’re like, but you’re not fat enough or like ugly enough to be the quirky friend. Well, you’re not pretty enough to be the legal i+. I was like, let me LEMON. So that would be my my favourite.

[00:36:43] I like being ugly. Like, I like being weird.

[00:36:46] I did the whole thing where you took off your glasses and like translated, you know, it’s like very hard for me to be like the nice girl and like to be bitchy as well. I kind of just go like a bit like kind of regular, bitchy, like nothing of substance. Yeah. I don’t feel like I can offer as much in the bitchy sense.

[00:37:03] And what was like I’m working in Chozen with someone who’s actually quite established like blue.

[00:37:07] Yeah. And jar-jar as well. She’s on a really good Chinese TV show. I was kind of daunting at the start because that first table read we had and when we met everyone they came with like their entourage and I was like a team of like 5 people.

[00:37:20] And then the rest of us were just like like, well, we’re just like regular Australian actors. I’m like, oh, my God.

[00:37:25] Like here these people look at the age and we got the assistant, we got the friend, we got the manager. But they were actually so nice and down to earth. I remember one time I was like marching around, like, really angry and sad because I was so hungry, like, you’re always hungry. And then Blue was eating a pack of chips. And I just stood there like watching him. And he was like, do you want salmonella? Yes. And then he gave me the whole packet. And I was like, oh, so nice, thank you. And then I bought him a cupcake knife that next day. But he’s like very like deadpan face. I thought he hated me, but he’s really nice. Yeah.

[00:37:50] Have you ever been star struck by anyone?

[00:37:53] I think you always think you’re gonna be like really flabbergasted. Instacheck. I think I thought I would be like besides myself when I saw Kendall, but was just kind of like I was in work modes. I was like, hi, I’m here to interview you. My name’s Jenny. No, I I’m kinda general. I was like, it wasn’t until after the event happened. I was like, I just did that.

[00:38:12] But during the event, I was super focussed. I was kind of just like letting everything slide over me. Yeah.

[00:38:16] Has ever been a moment where you like you felt like this whole thing has been too hard that you wanted to give up?

[00:38:22] Yes. Like before on the bus on the way here. Like every single day.

[00:38:27] I remember I had a breakdown like a month ago. My boyfriend’s like, why are you crying again? I was like, I think I do this. Stop trying to be an actor. He’s like, why? And I was just like, I just can’t get any jobs as a couple more auditions will have to go there. It’s just like everyday.

[00:38:41] Yeah. You want to. Are you gonna keep continue working in Melbourne or.

[00:38:45] Well, I’m trying to like kind of enter into the Australian scene at the moment cause I haven’t been back for five years. It’s kind of like re-entering, but I just feel like I’m starting again, which kind of sucks because I had to start again in China. I decided in L.A. but I think I just have to have a nut like as many avenues open as possible and maybe one of them will pick up. So I’ll go back to L.A. maybe like twice a year for auditions. And I want to be based in Melbourne now because I don’t I don’t think the Chinese industry is for me and I don’t think it’s time for someone like me over there as well. But like, I’m still open to trying.

[00:39:13] Well, what do you say? They’re not ready for you then?

[00:39:16] Alright.

[00:39:17] It’s just like if they want someone who speaks English in a film, they usually go with an already established actor, although even dub it say because it increases their international profile so they can do stuff overseas. They’ll never get an actual ABC do it like an ABC role.

[00:39:30] I read the other day that apparently look, Hollywood films get a lot of Chinese actors. Yes, that’s because to get to Chicago film shown in China, you have to have an actress or an actor from China. Yeah, they don’t. They will never hire an actual ABC or any high like a. Yeah, like a low coach.

[00:39:47] Well, even when you look at like the opening credits for a lot of Hollywood films, it’s done by like Hawaii Brothers or Wunder Productions, which is just like huge production. And then you’ll see like an Asian hub on the screen and you like. I know who put that in. Yeah.

[00:39:57] Yeah, it’s quite weird because even the customer from China to plant an American room for me watching it. Yeah. It just still so weird because it’s so not organic. Yeah. I can tell that person grow from America. Yeah, I’m from Australia and have a Western background, so it’s a bit unfortunate, but, you know, when they do these movies, it’s not there’s not the absence.

[00:40:16] Yeah, actual audition for a show like the last audition I had in L.A. and they were looking at was she was meant to be like a girl from China who moved to America. But I think within the first two years. But they wanted someone with fluent English. Then we all went to audition for like all my Asian friends. So we went super well. I felt like it was the audition of my life. I think this is a pesek role. Never think that. And then a month later, everyone was emailing me in China because they were casting worldwide in China. But I was told that they didn’t want to cause anyone non-American because the visa issue was too high and like they were filming within the month. And I was like, so is it easier to give someone from China the visa? Because I think I’ll be slightly easier for like someone from Canada, Australia. And then they ended up costing an already well-known Chinese actor and she was like, not the age range and like not how they were described in the book. And I was like, okay, but like, at least they call like a Chinese person because there’s meant to be like a Chinese role as a win win, lose, lose kind of Vietnam’s.

[00:41:06] Could you talk about your YouTube channel that you do a lot of what I call like open online auditions. Oh, yay. Has that helped you with anything? Because you’ve done like a lot of these so that you can apply for auditions online, as you call them. Your real’s met them like an audition tape. Yeah. Is it defined as a lot easier to get auditions that way or do they prefer you more in person to fly in to see them when you’re like, oh, you mean like self-titled?

[00:41:33] Yes. I think for this day and age there’s cell types every like even China doesn’t now. And because a lot of American projects are being filmed in Australia, like there’s a big Asian one coming out called Mortal Kombat being done in Australia and it’s cost in Australia, buycott Australian costing. But I had to do a tape for that as well. Even though I am from Australia, it’s just easier because a lot of casting directors use have offices in Melbourne, but now they’ve all kind of gone back to Sydney and they used to do the rounds where they do each c.d like every day. But it’s just tyring. And if you can get a tape in, I think it’s just easier, but it does give you a lot more opportunities like I’ve gotten to audition for like a bunch of like really cool shows that I wouldn’t have been able to because I had to be that person or something. So I can be in L.A. the same time and in Melbourne and I can be in Melbourne when I’m in L.A., which is good.

[00:42:13] Do you think you want to come back to home because you miss your family?

[00:42:17] I was I was thinking about it because I was in Shanghai for almost six years, and I think it was time for me to move on.

[00:42:22] I do love Shanghai, but they say it earlier. I grew up watching Western media and I feel like I wouldn’t feel that sense of accomplishment until I was back in my home country and I succeeded in my home country.

[00:42:33] Like it’s not I don’t know, it might be whitewashed of me. But yeah, I don’t mean like everything that I’ve done in China. I haven’t really felt proud of myself. Like I’ve never had a moment was like, wow, that was amazing. Really proud of myself. You’ve done so much in China. It’s just like this. I think you hoarseness.

[00:42:48] So I yeah, I’m pretty high looking from like an outsider’s perspective. Well maybe you could Gene. So you can’t see that how much you’ve actually chipped away. Yeah, but for you to be an ABC going to China hosting a radio station in three dialects, that’s impressive.

[00:43:00] Q. I don’t know. I said sometimes I’m like half embarrassed and then like half disappointed myself because it’s like I told ever was moving to China to pursue acting. And then I came back as like a radio presenter, which is nothing wrong, which is still amazing. And I felt like I kind of fan myself and I’m not where I thought I was gonna be at this age. I’m like halfway to 50 is not going great.

[00:43:17] You look at one towards you from Empire. She won her first Emmys. How old was she thinks like 40, 50, 50. And so it takes years and years, guys. So I think you’re on the right path, hopefully.

[00:43:28] I think like, you know, like hosting like radio gigs and stuff like that’s a compliment to like. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, and like a lot of people find their way to different a lot of I’m just now going to be recording.

[00:43:40] You started on like in Malaysia. He’s. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[00:43:43] So like yeah. I think watching yourself, you know. So what if it’s a game plan for Melbourne then. So because you said you wanna be based in Melbourne. Yeah. And you also said that, you know, it’s really hard to get jobs and roles.

[00:43:56] And in Australia it’s actually a lot better now because if you look at a lot of TV shows, it’s always one or two people of colour.

[00:44:04] And there’s some shows that have a lot like we had the family law, which was all Asian and we had like hungry guys coming out soon, which is all, I think, Vietnamese, Australian.

[00:44:10] So it’s really, really good. But unfortunately, I wasn’t here when they were casting a lot of these shows. So I kind of missed out. But I got a new agent. Can I say upgraded?

[00:44:22] Oh, she’s in Sydney, which is a case that I always thought I’d fly out for a really good audition. But she’s messaged a lot of the casting directors in Melbourne to kind of like reintroduce me to a lot of people’s I feel like I’m finally doing something about my want to be career in Melbourne. Yeah. And she said, my American manager recommended me to her. And then I met up with a bunch of agents and then I ended up choosing her because a lot of Australian agencies, a lot of small ones, like not so great ones. And then anything slightly better. It’s like by imitation early or day, like, don’t send your résumé to us. And I’m like, well, how are you gonna meet me? So I was really lucky my American agent could reach out to them.

[00:44:55] Would you say the competition in Australia? SUE LANNIN These are it’s a lot more easy than l._a.

[00:44:59] I think it’s harder because there’s a lot less because there’s just a lot less being made here. And there’s probably like a group of like five Asian. Australian girls who are constantly working and then every time there’s a role for an Asian Australian, then all of us will go out for a young. And then, yes, it makes sense.

[00:45:18] So how do you juggle, you know, working in media and also a relationship with your boyfriend? I find it difficult when you see base in Melbourne.

[00:45:27] Yeah, he’s I think he was in Hong Kong and then he came back to Melbourne. It’s pretty chill like. I’m really glad he’s never told me to, like, you know, get a real job or whatever. I’ve always wanted to date someone who is kind of more stable because I like I’m going to be stable.

[00:45:41] So you need to have a stable place. What does he do? So he works in real estate.

[00:45:47] India’s commercial is nice. I like I don’t really understand at the stop, but I kind of get it now.

[00:45:51] But he’s really, really supportive, which is like all the stuff.

[00:45:54] And then when I record stuff, he’s actually helped me do like cell types of all he turns into like director mode. He’s like, did you want to be a bitch then?

[00:46:00] No, no. He’s like, well, you sounded like a bitch and all that. Oh, well, should I say nice things like maybe say it in like this way.

[00:46:07] So it’s like it’s good. It does make me stressed out, though, because I like I don’t let him see or like work with anything to do with media. Like it was a YouTube video. Like never let him watch it if it’s like a podcast. Like, I never really let him. Why is it?

[00:46:21] Because I don’t think I just like to keep it a bit more separate and like on in radio in China and even on my podcast in China. I never mentioned him like I wanted to keep it a bit more like private, et cetera. Yeah.

[00:46:31] Did you guys meet in Melbourne? No.

[00:46:33] Yes. We met at Scarlets Coffin’s. Yes.

[00:46:37] He’s my friend’s band. Then they enjoyed and they like our friend once I moved to Hong Kong and he can tell himself about like Asia. And we chatted and then I saw him a few more times before he went. And then like long distance for like two and a half years, I guess. And then now wait for United.

[00:46:51] It’s been torturing us for that long.

[00:46:53] It was actually pretty chill, I think, because I was single for like three years.

[00:46:56] And he’s quite an independent person. But we saw each other twice a month, which is like really good because I would fly up once. He would fly up once, so. Oh, yeah.

[00:47:03] Wow. I mean, like, would you say. Because moving to China or other things in China are quite expensive nowadays.

[00:47:09] Not as expensive as Melbourne. No.

[00:47:11] I always feel richer in China, like I could have the same amount of money. But in China, like, I just feel so much richer. I don’t know if it’s because of currency like big if it’s like a hundred army like today, like any expensive Shanghai is accommodation, right? Yeah. What? It’s small that it’s so cheap. Like I can I can spend 20 dollars on a whole day of like food delivered and like on like this app called LMR, which is like the Chinese. Obreht It’ll be like spend 40 and then we’ll give you 20 back and then delivery be free and then I’m like, say you’ll end up getting like three boxes of dumplings and like a packet of noodles for like $2 Australian economy. And in Australia you order like a smoothie and it’s like fifteen dollars.

[00:47:45] Let’s shoot. Wow. I’m sure I don’t realise how much people are making China because I have this concept in my head that China’s kind of like a developing country. But I think because I’m doing China myself feel it’s been to China. And he told me all the stories up when he goes to China.

[00:47:59] It’s so different like you did in Buffalo.

[00:48:02] They have ads on the trains where it’s like it’s all it’s so advanced.

[00:48:07] Like the only thing that’s not Avandia’s, like banking and connecting the Internet because everything’s done by paperwork and you lose out, you’re gone. But everything is crazy. Like I come back to Australia and like a lot of people who moved us. Right. They like it’s like living in the country. Like sometimes that kind of does feel like I’m like, what, you don’t have like twenty minutes for you to live out. Like, what is this video we take? Forty five minutes. Like, why is it so slow? Like why can’t I just scan my like Alipay here or something?

[00:48:28] That’s usually when I moved to Singapore to work. Coming back to the show, I felt I went back in time. Yeah.

[00:48:33] It’s always like we’re in like a snow globe and which is kind of slowly moving around. Yeah.

[00:48:36] You’re gonna miss most about working in China.

[00:48:38] Working China. Well, I get to do presenting stuff there, which I wouldn’t get to do here. I think a lot of the presenters here are either like ex models or current models or influences. So I would never even be able to get that opportunity unless it was like a Chinese expo or something. But they probably hire like a Chinese like local person.

[00:48:55] Yeah, well I think you’re gonna have their problem like you’re so talented and yeah, you’re definitely like maintenance at this this discussion this morning. Well, like if anyone’s gonna make it’s gonna be you because you have so much determination like you left when you’re 19, like, that’s bloody amazing.

[00:49:10] You got the work ethic behind you. You’re smart, you’re pretty, you’re talented.

[00:49:14] I’m actually really lazy.

[00:49:15] But like, you just you just have to push. Well, yeah. Thank you for joining us so much. Like so much for having me. So you really inspired me, all of you guys.

[00:49:24] I had your stories before and it just always great to see like Asians working in media and just not the norm because all my friends work in corporate and it’s like I got a promotion, I got this and I’m like, well, I’m still unemployed, but congrats.

[00:49:35] Definitely more Asian people in the media. Definitely. And when you make it, it’s because no street will contact you again. The podcast yet to promote us. We know when you’ve made a call, so let us.

[00:49:45] So how do we find you on Instagram at Jenny J’s? How is it? H You and your podcast? My podcast. Actually, she and I are right now. We can just like search Himalaya on the Appstore. It’s called Shameless Sisters.

[00:49:57] I’m trying to get an Apple podcast. Philips gonna help me and hopefully we’ll have that up and running.

[00:50:02] Same, but it’s my thing. Chinese say you went to the. So we talk about like celebrity gossip. We recommend TV shows, movies. And as we talk about my co-host, Babies Dating Last, because it’s like really exciting and interesting and like flat tinder, which I’ve never experienced, so you got the Chinese vision loss as a Mandarin and Shanghainese that as well.

[00:50:20] I do need to learn my Chinese, I should say, about the only way that I learned is that Chinese tutor and I’m just watching YouTube videos. That’s it. That’s pretty good. There you go. That’s free trade right there. That’s true. So if it’s up to you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. And we’ll see you next time. Bye bye.

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