Drag Race star Gia Gunn says she postponed surgery so she could compete on All Stars

Drag Race star Gia Gunn says she postponed surgery so she could compete on All Stars

Drag Race star Gia Gunn has opened up for the first time about postponing her transition surgery to compete on the latest season of All Stars

Speaking to LEMON Podcast, Gunn said, “My surgery was postponed because I knew if I had gotten surgery, I wouldn’t have been able to go on the show.”

Gunn said having the opportunity to be the first transgender woman on the show outweighed her own priorities to have surgery and that she had used the money she saved to buy outfits to compete. 

She later started a GoFundMe page to raise $30,000 for her surgery after competing on the show last year. 

The decision to return for All Stars was not an easy decision for Gia Gunn, who famously called RuPaul out for his comments on why transgender women weren’t allowed to compete on the franchise. 

After apologising for his comments, the show invited Gunn to compete on All Stars, to which she said she was only brought back as a ‘diversity hire’ and for her trans visibility. 

However, Gunn had an altercation with RuPaul on the show which did not go to air. 

“I was not having the best day that day and I was kind of looking for her to be more supportive in the moment and I just didn’t feel that from her,”

“I thought I was brought on for my visibility, I guess not being acknowledged for simply being trans and now a beautiful woman, was hurtful.” 

RuPaul’s Drag Race is now a global franchise and is in several countries including the UK, Chile, Thailand and soon in Canada & Australia.

When asked on whether she would return to the franchise, Gia Gunn said she had no interest in coming back. 

“I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to say that she is sold out,” she said.

“She doesn’t really care much anymore other than her pay cheque; where she’s gonna stand and what she’s gonna say and that’s why the show has lost so much creativity and abundance and all these things that it lacks.”

The full interview and show is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. 


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[00:00:00] Yes. And what made you feel compelled to compete on all stars for knowing that Mother Ruth herself has already said that’s.

[00:00:10] I said, you know what this is this is a game and I’ve made it this far.

[00:00:16] I’m being given the opportunity to be the first trans woman on drag race.

[00:00:21] I still love drag. Not as much as I do before.

[00:00:27] I guess I could I could afford to go, but I really couldn’t.

[00:00:31] Because a lot of people don’t know that. Actually, the money that I had saved for my surgery was actually used to go to all stars.

[00:00:49] Hello and welcome to this week’s episode in conversation with LEMON. On today’s episode, we are joined by Reposes Drag Race Alumni 98 on the out of Trek has come a long way, and these days drag queens are amongst the most influential celebrities in the world. And Gia is one of them. She’s been an outspoken voice and has been credited to help make the trans community become more visible in recent years.

[00:01:13] In our chat today, she talks about how the world of track and how track has helped her with her own discovery. She also tells us why she decides to use the money she was setting up for a surgery to return to drag race all stars despite having confrontations with her scruples. Are the comments of why transgender women aren’t allowed to compete on the show. To be honest, we’ve learned a lot of things about the trans community and the LGBTQ plus community from GIA. From this interview and we hope you find this conversation endearing. Here’s Gio.

[00:01:46] Hi. Hi. So we asked the same question for all of our guests. So what are you watching or listening to at the moment?

[00:01:55] Oh, my God. What am I watching and listening to at the moment?

[00:02:01] There is so much going on in my life right now and literally listening to my own thoughts and just watching myself every single day.

[00:02:08] But, well, I really enjoyed pose the season then, but I guess that’s over with. So now I guess American Horror Story with my trans sister, andela Karas. And what I’m so proud of her and just so thrilled to see so much trans talent out there visible and just breaking through and the entertainment world and listening to, you know, just I don’t know, there hasn’t really been any really big hitters recently. So I’m actually kind of waiting for like a little Ariana moment or I wish I would make a comeback.

[00:02:51] I love Rihanna.

[00:02:52] It sounds like she’s too busy with her new makeup line.

[00:02:55] She is.

[00:02:57] They literally broke through with that Fanti beauty fashion show this year. I don’t know if you guys got a chance to see it, but I haven’t heard much about it. Yeah, it was crazy.

[00:03:09] Micro ice is locked in that and a lot of actually other trends and queer icons also were in the show.

[00:03:19] I think that’s why it’s breaking through so much. It’s because Rihanna’s brand, it’s more than just your everyday pretty princess. Like even for her models, you know, she gets plus sized models, like they saying that Fenty is going to overtake Victoria’s Secret.

[00:03:34] Now, yes, that’s what I’m hearing. I mean, this is the first year that Victoria’s Secret is going to be having their, you know, show of Angel. So that’s, I think, pretty fierce then and a pretty big, you know, thing for the fashion world.

[00:03:49] You know, people are just just sick of pushing small stuff. Were you always engage into this stuff when you’re younger as well? Did you always grew up watching Victoria’s Secret or always, always been in fashion and makeup when you’re a young girl?

[00:04:03] To be honest, not really. My youth was mostly surrounded around Japanese classical dance and kabuki theatre, and I was very in2 more traditional things that guys like at five years old. I, you know, I I guess I had expressed to my mother that I wanted to be onstage, you know, like a.n grandma.

[00:04:27] And she signed me up. And then there I was, you know, five years old, dancing with, you know, at the time, you know, my grandma my grandmother was, you know, I don’t know, 60s, you know. So they were, you know, much older, if not already, you know, senior citizen.

[00:04:48] And I was just there with them and spent a lot of time with all these really lovely old ladies and, you know, my grandmother and my aunt.

[00:04:57] So that’s how I think I got into it. And just really being drawn to the artistic side of it all. You know, the elaborate costumes and the hairdos and the makeup and all that. So those are my early memories of hair and makeup and beauty far before drag and all that stuff.

[00:05:18] You can see that influence until you’ll drag. Now, like like it’s so prevalent. And before you go into a lot of these drag competitions or including reposts. What were you doing full time?

[00:05:29] I was well, I was a couple of things.

[00:05:33] I think I was definitely like a cross-dresser at one point. And just feeling myself and feeling I don’t know if that’s really a job, but. Yeah. Redoing Drexler’s before I was. Yes. While cross-dressing at night. I guess I’ll say the same thing.

[00:05:55] But yes, I was doing drag at night and then I was doing hair actually during the day. And that’s kind of why I saw my life going, guys. You know, we’re going to kind of be like this successful hairstyle is to you know, it was just fabulous and, you know, doing shows that night time. But it wasn’t until, I guess I discovered I was too fabulous to be behind.

[00:06:19] You know, those bobs and highlights and foils were just not enough for the queen.

[00:06:25] So that’s where I really flourished more in the drag and where I really, you know, was kind of able to come out of my shell and and really get creative. And when my parents divorced and I finally went through a big separation and I kind of went through on this journey of, you know, finding myself, and it was nice to be able to kind of have that come back into my life. You know, once I started doing drag and seeing how well I didn’t have to forget about, you know, the Japanese classical then. But better yet, I can kind of mesh together and now make it my own as it is a dying art. So it is hard for your average audience to understand in its purest form?

[00:07:13] Absolutely. Were your parents supportive of the idea of you auditioning for report or did they not know about it until it aired or at the time they didn’t really know.

[00:07:24] I don’t think, as I mentioned, we had just gone through, you know, a separation of families. So everybody was just kind of trying to find their way. And, you know, my parents had gotten involved with their new partners. And, you know, my sister moved out here to L.A. So I was there in Chicago working and doing drag and being supported by my photographer at the time and my friends who really forced me to try out for RuPaul, because, quite frankly, I really didn’t know anything really about it or I guess really want to. But my parents were definitely very supportive. Once they made it on and, you know, all the comings afterwards. Yeah, I kind of wish maybe, you know, I did involve them a little bit more in that time.

[00:08:14] Was it more so that you were a bit afraid to look?

[00:08:16] No, no. I just was disconnected and I was just doing my own thing. And I think, you know, after, you know, your parents divorce, that kind of let it go. Forget family. You know, it’s like my friends are my family now, you know, and especially after being on a thing like RuPaul and meeting so many people and she teaches us to create our own family and stuff like that.

[00:08:40] You know, I just kind of, you know, like so many people, we all look up to RuPaul, so. Was it like meeting, I guess like someone youthful was looked up to?

[00:08:50] So to be honest, I never looked up to RuPaul as saying that I never saw her because I I grew up in the suburbs. So I didn’t really know anything about gay culture. And the first time that they actually heard about RuPaul was RuPaul’s Drag Race Season One, which actually JD Sotomayor from Chicago was my very first, like, drag queen friend or RuPaul’s Drag Race, you know, connection. And I mean. I lived for Rupo, I just I guess I didn’t know, you know, all the trailblazing she had done and what a big movement she was doing, so I didn’t grow up praising her or really knowing to praise her, but knowing that this was her show.

[00:09:43] And, you know, then six seasons later, seeing what a big thing it was doing, you know, for the world and then learning what a big difference the show was making and how important she was in this change. Obviously, the first time meeting her on Season 6 was, you know, just it was definitely unforgettable. At that time, you know, I. Yes, I did look at her like she was God. And I did look at her like, oh, my God, you know, I’m so just blessed to be in front of this person’s presence.

[00:10:18] But that was then when you auditioned for Season 6 drag race. Were you already transitioning or was that kind of late? It’s down the track.

[00:10:30] I think I was in early thought.

[00:10:33] I definitely know that I identified as androgynous at the time and I definitely felt girly. But I just wasn’t ready to commit. And I think I was scared. Matter of fact, I know I was scared. And I just wasn’t ready. And I didn’t really understand what being transgender meant. So drag was easier for me to process, you know, because I think once we start talking about modifying our body and changing our chemical makeup, it’s it’s much more intense than doing drag. And so that’s why I think for a lot of people, you know, when they are confused about their gender or contemplating a transition, I always recommend drag because I don’t know. It’s kind of a very broad thing now.

[00:11:27] And I guess for you, it was an art form that evolved. And then you also evolved without form as well as that. Well, yes.

[00:11:34] I always like to say that I am the woman that I am today because of drag.

[00:11:39] And that is probably the most, truest statement, you know, anyone could ever hear me say. That’s what I will forever hold. Drag and drag race. So sacred to my heart. And we’ll always support queens and young queer talent. And, you know, now do my best to, I guess, do the best show that I can whenever I do step out onstage.

[00:12:07] And so I take every day, you know, as a blessing and have a show as a blessing, but also as motivation to strive to do more.

[00:12:20] Mm hmm. Absolutely.

[00:12:21] And viewers of repose, even a lot of members within the LGBT queue plus community, there is a definite differentiation, I guess, between being drag and being transgender.

[00:12:33] For those who are listening, could you explain the difference for them?

[00:12:36] Feel like a lot of people like, you know, like, I don’t know, like, obviously we know where there’s differences, but I guess it’s a common view.

[00:12:45] I think honestly. Monica. Beverly Hills onthese than five started the bus drag is what I do. And trans is who I am. So with that being said, drag is an art form and it’s open to men, women, gay men, straight men, straight women. I mean, this man, this woman. I mean, it’s when you start throwing those words in there that I think people get really confused, though.

[00:13:15] So, again, it’s very simple. You know, drag is an art form and it’s open to everybody. Being trans, it’s feeling of the opposite gender and then exploring what that means to you.

[00:13:33] And so to be honest, I think it is really confusing. And I think a lot of people have made it a tad bit more confusing than it needs to be for the average person. Again. For those that are listening to this may or may, you know, may have never come in contact with the drag queen before and may have never even come in contact with a trans person before.

[00:13:58] Like I just met this woman in the parking garage of my old building and I thought that I was using language with her in which she would really understand because, you know, sex is kind of like a new thing. So when you talk, you know, when you talk to says people, they’re like, what, sex?

[00:14:18] And you know, and so I used the word biological because she was like, wait, so let me understand.

[00:14:24] Like, you’re a woman. If you’re a trans woman and I’m a biological woman, like she didn’t even understand what biological man she’s like. Is that what I am? Unlike.

[00:14:36] Yes, you’re a biological woman. I’m a trans woman. And these are my gay friends, because I was with my two gay guy friends and she’s like, OK, but like so they could dress up in drag and you can dress up in drag and I can dress up in drag. And we would be what would I be a drag king like people get? So because it is confusing, like within the community, there’s so many different terms and there’s so many different ways of expressing it. And now people are getting offended if you aren’t as sensitive as you should be.

[00:15:09] And now there’s, you know, all these different terms and bitch, I’m like, honey, a drag.

[00:15:16] We just a bunch of queens. If you got a lot of makeup on and you’re feeling your fantasy, you look like something other than, you know, an H&M ad, you’re in drag.

[00:15:26] So that to me is what drag is.

[00:15:30] Yeah. And I think even to you and to a couple of days ago researching you before our interview, there was so many terminologies that I want to get down pat before, you know, because I didn’t want to be caught out for it. I know that you have. You’re the queen of catchphrases. Know shaded by. It’s got to make sure I knew what cisgendered was. What by Queen waswhat drag king was. Honey, I’m even learning. And even someone within the LGBT two-plus community we can kind of expect. How more confusing it can be for the average person.

[00:16:01] Absolutely. And I always try to approach every situation. You know, like you always have this. You know, people know belief. You can only assume people know that are the most educated, especially on stuff like that. So I think if we go into situations, as, you know, educators and as people from the communities that want to enlighten other people rather than shut them down or or make them feel bad for not knowing the right terminology, you know, I think it’s our job to kind of yes, sometimes dumb ourselves down and break it down for people in a way in which they can understand rather than just clapping our hands and think, oh, girl, you know, you’re just, you know, homophobic or transphobic and they’re walking away.

[00:16:53] It’s like those people, you know, will always just be judged and just kind of put into the bubble that all those gay people, you know, all those trans people, they don’t ever have enough time feel like explained. They always get so, you know, at it’s hooty.

[00:17:09] And so it’s like if you just take a breath and just kind of explain things to people, you know, this is the activist side of me, though.

[00:17:16] Not everybody like, you know, everybody’s got a breath.

[00:17:20] But I feel like, you know, when you’re at that Starbucks and you do get my gender and or, you know, you are out at a drag show and someone says, I don’t know the wrong thing. Like, give it up for all these men. You know, it’s like you have to stand up for yourself. And as a trans person with n the gay community and even the drab world, I have to stand up for myself even more because of just the misogyny that’s out there. And it’s just you know, it’s it’s hard for women to exist in that.

[00:17:54] And in some of those spaces and you have queens like yourself. Monica, you have peppermints, Kylie from season two. You guys are leading this movements leading this. I guess not new, but opening up a discussion, I guess, for people to understand.

[00:18:10] Yeah. I mean, I feel like being the first openly trans woman on drag race, they hold the big, you know, my responsibility and kind of, you know, this. Yes. To be this trailblazer to start these conversations and kind of not let people get away with maybe the same language that has, you know, gone on for four years that is dangerous and abusive and offensive, especially when talking to gender nonconforming or trans people. So I I definitely tried to educate people on just simple. Thing. Whenever I can. And also be respectful of our own community and our own supporters. You know, because I can’t tell you. I love how there is still so much, you know, education that needs to be put out there. Just even within their own community.

[00:19:09] It’s just like the gay community is taking us decades to explain to people that in show people that would just normal and thinks the same thing with, you know, the trans community.

[00:19:19] It’s more about being more out, more aware.

[00:19:22] So that we can educate people in the community about, you know, what’s what it’s like to be a trans person just needs more outreach, a lot more people to be more aware, I guess a lot more education, you know, even people who are educate. Oh, we think are educated. So like moving forward to, you know, last year, March, I believe, very poor, even a trailblazer, a queen like herself. She released a statement saying you can take performing enhancing drugs and still be an athlete, just not compete in the Olympics. How did that affect you and how did that affect the trans community?

[00:19:56] Well, I think it was very clear what she was saying. And I think. Many people were hurt, and I think this show actually lost a lot of love and respect from a lot of people that support the show. I mean, I would love for, you know, a test to be done, but I can guarantee you that the percentage that supports it follows drag race. You know, that is trans or non-binary or gender nonconforming, you know, versus just gay man. I think definitely much more, you know, higher. Now, it’s like we’re not just serving the gay community now. Now we’re serving, you know, even the straight community. And you know this men and women and heterosexual couples that are watching this now, you know, for entertainment purposes and just to hopefully enlighten themselves. And then for her to come out and say something like that, I think really just stuck it where it really hurts for a lot of people. It was very unfortunate. But for me also, I guess I don’t know, it was courageous. You know, she was letting us know how she feels. And you can’t really beat someone up for them being honest, I guess, even though if it’s kind of messed up what they’re saying, it’s kind of like, OK. This is how you feel. So thanks for letting us know. You know, because now it’s not this big mess. Now it’s actually being said not by someone else, but from a mother herself and in her own words. So it was, I think, a hard pill to swallow for me, especially being trans. Now, you know, having had transition after this show. But, you know, because when that article came out, I wasn’t on All Stars. So, you know, I was just you know, I don’t even think I had gotten the call or anything. It wasn’t until after that. That people had decided, OK, we better support trends, because what mother said is not really working out for us. And even the apology, I don’t think really did too much either, because people saw right through that.

[00:22:26] Yes. And what made you feel compelled to compete on all stars for knowing that Mother Ruth herself has already said that’s.

[00:22:35] I said, you know what this is this is a game and I’ve made it this far.

[00:22:41] I’m being given the opportunity to be the first trans woman on dry race.

[00:22:47] I still love drag. Not as much as I do before.

[00:22:53] I guess I could I could afford to go, but I really couldn’t.

[00:22:57] Because a lot of people don’t know that. Actually, the money that I had saved for my surgery was actually used to go to all stars.

[00:23:06] So actually, my surgery was postponed because they also knew that had I gotten surgery, I probably wouldn’t have been able to go on the show.

[00:23:14] I see. So that’s. Yes, that’s why you had the go find me.

[00:23:19] Yes. And so actually, you know, the money that was funded at that time, you know, that I had saved I actually had to spend some of that on drag and then save up again after all stars and then get my surgery. Just, you know, last December.

[00:23:38] So when you say would you see you have to spend money on drag, does it mean you to spend money like costumes? Yeah.

[00:23:45] A thousand thousands of dollars. Yeah. Anywhere from, you know, a good package, you know, to go with good clothes, you know, with anywhere from 15 grand. 30 grand. 40 grand.

[00:23:58] I mean, girls like Trinity and, you know, Farrah and Naomi Smalls, like girls like that, I’m sure they spent well over, I don’t know, 40 grand easily in drag.

[00:24:09] That’s insane. I thought designers would give you guys a dress or at least sponsor. Oh, is it beautiful for the fun?

[00:24:17] We live in a time now where doing things for shout-outs and posts and exposure is not really is not really going over well anymore in the end, because people are like, OK, everybody is famous now.

[00:24:34] Everyone’s got a project, you know, where’s our money like? And we as Queens also want us to or, you know, these local designers, which are usually our friends, are struggling artists that are just, you know, making fabulous things but not really costing that much.

[00:24:51] And just, you know, drag is expensive, good drag is expensive. And anything that you’re going to show on television, you know, an HDTV, it’s like you just have to have you know, you got to pay for it.

[00:25:05] I didn’t realize it was that expensive, you know, to. I guess the you have to this something.

[00:25:10] Yes. Yeah, it is very expensive to be sick.

[00:25:16] It really is.

[00:25:17] I mean, people don’t realize, you know, the materials alone, like for rhinestones and friends and fathers. You know, it’s so expensive.

[00:25:26] And then you’ve got to pay someone to put it together, you know, and all that costs money and then, you know, grows get things hand-painted and custom, you know, this and that. So it really does add up. I mean, a stunning outfit will run you, you know, up to, you know, three thousand dollars. I mean, just to look good, you know, or what we consider good nowadays because the bar is set very high.

[00:25:55] Yes. But every season gets bigger and bigger. Getting bigger.

[00:25:58] Yeah, but going back to 0 stores, I understand that you had the vision and the compassion to go on all sides because I guess you wanted to share your trans- story. You know, you want to share more of yourself, be more a lot more vulnerable.

[00:26:12] And I guess to me, in my own opinion, it seems across that’s you know, they kind of picked you, hide you to be an all source, come look at diversity hire, but more like damage control, if that makes any sense.

[00:26:25] Oh, yeah. Definitely. And I don’t know, I I feel like as a show that would want to show that they’re supportive of this lifestyle and kind of show the difference between being trans and drag.

[00:26:38] I feel like, you know, this show has so much influence and so much knowledge is spread from the show.

[00:26:45] It’s like I wish they would have took it my storyline and educated people a little bit more other than just kind of create me to be like the Gia Gunn character that people had already seen.

[00:26:57] And yes, like. But I don’t know that that was completely obviously in their control because me there.

[00:27:04] I think I showed all different sides. You know, I I definitely was shady and catty. You know, to the queen just because it’s TV and it’s drag race. And I was trying to maintain Gia Gutin factor, but at the same time, there was so many good moments that I shared about my life and so much has changed for me since season six. And yeah, I guess people just didn’t really get to see that much, which was unfortunate.

[00:27:31] But I do feel like I’m just getting started.

[00:27:36] All right. And it’s like you kind of got painted as the villain, the bitchiness.

[00:27:40] You know, that side that I had. And you know what? It was entertaining. Yeah. You know, people can say whatever they want and get their panties in a bunch about, you know, being mean and, you know, being, you know, sabotaging Spera, all this and that.

[00:27:56] But at the end of the day, you cannot tell me that you did not enjoy it and that you didn’t get a good laugh or a good cry or a good hoot to holler or whatever.

[00:28:07] And you know, your mama loves you.

[00:28:10] You know, that’s what a show drag race is for.

[00:28:14] And so I guess a lot of people forgets it’s reality TV. It’s they want to show the funniest moments, the moments that’s going to get the best ratings. It’s gonna get them Emmys.

[00:28:23] And I guess as well on the show. I I read somewhere that you did have a bit of altercation with RuPaul as well, just before a snatch game. Are you able to go into that just a little bit at all?

[00:28:35] I just was not having the best day that day. And I was kind of looking for her to be, I guess, more supportive in the moment. And I just didn’t feel that from her. I felt a very cold sense of being shut down and not really any compassion.

[00:28:57] And that made me feel sad and unheard and also unseen, because much of which I was, you know, brought on, I thought was for my visibility, I guess, to not be acknowledged for simply being trans or being, you know, now a beautiful woman, I think was was hurtful.

[00:29:24] But yeah, you can, you know, comment on, you know, oh, Valentinos pants and, you know, house fire. Trinity’s come with her acting and, you know, all those things, which I think is nice. But it was like, well, what about me, mother? Like, I’ve done so much self discovering and, you know, I’m a brand new person, like bitch.

[00:29:46] What, like challenging neglected child?

[00:29:50] Is that what you feel?

[00:29:51] I guess now looking back, I guess a dad, you know, it was that feeling like, oh, my God, I just spent all this money to come on your show and you can’t even look me in the eyes and say something genuine that that sucks, you know. And so that insulin.

[00:30:07] Made me feel like, well, get me off of this show, I want nothing to do with this show because you guys don’t you know, not you guys. Because I will like to make it clear, I I do think that world of wonder supports trend.

[00:30:21] I know that there are members on the team that are actually very pro trend. I guess I just don’t know that she is. And for me at the time, that was the most important, not, I guess, seeing the bigger picture.

[00:30:38] And maybe I was in too much of my feelings or whatever, because at the end of the day, you know, the show isn’t for RuPaul anymore.

[00:30:46] It’s for those that are out there looking for guidance and looking to be entertained and inspired. And and that’s what the show is for.

[00:30:58] But because we are in Hollywood and everybody is out here trying to make a brand and a name for themself and, you know, to become their own empire, whatever.

[00:31:09] You know, sometimes we just feel so forced to do things on our own. If if RuPaul asked you to come back for another Allsorts, would you do it? I would not. I would not. What’s your relationship with RuPaul now? I don’t have one, to be completely honest.

[00:31:28] Yeah, it’s weird, I I gotta say, I never really felt like we ever really did have one. And I’m not really sure.

[00:31:35] There is one queen that could honestly say that. Oh, yeah. Like we have a relationship. I mean, to be completely honest, by now, I think it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to, you know, say that, you know, she is sold out.

[00:31:53] You know, she really doesn’t.

[00:31:55] She doesn’t really care too much anymore. I think other than about, you know, her paycheque is where she’s gonna stand and what she’s got to say.

[00:32:03] And I think that’s also why this show has lost so much creativity and abundance and all these things that it lacks that people once saw.

[00:32:14] You know, I think up until season six or seven and then things just kind of, you know, became mainstream and became what they are. And I think that’s fabulous and it’s amazing.

[00:32:25] But what stories are we telling? What are the core roots here of, you know, where does all this come from?

[00:32:32] And I think that’s where it shows like PPOs are telling those stories. And I do think that poses a better show than drag race. And I do think that it’s you know, it’s far more authentic.

[00:32:43] And I think people are seeing that fulfilled and want to know what the show’s about. Can you tell us?

[00:32:48] Well, Polit is basically telling the stories that RuPaul’s Drag Race should have been telling, you know, and and telling the stories, you know, before drag even, you know, let’s take it back, even be for drag.

[00:33:01] There were trans women that were voguing and creating, you know, these gay houses and giving these gay children homes and families and support and a sense of belonging. You know, trans women, you know, we’re joining forces with other gay men and, you know, being the mothers of these houses. And then there were the fathers and then the children.

[00:33:26] And, you know, so Pose is a show that is also directed by, you know, trans people, you know, like Janet Mock and Our Lady J. And, you know, that’s fabulous.

[00:33:40] I mean, there was actually that’s an interview that they had on the Emmys where somebody from B.E.T. And, you know, asked about the diversity within her team and the response she gave was absolutely just crazy.

[00:33:55] Jimi? Yeah. So anyway, I mean, there’s just you know, there’s so many things wrong, not just in that arena, but there’s so many things wrong in the world in general.

[00:34:08] So I tried to focus on, you know, what I can do to make things right. Like sometimes I feel like I have to bite the bullet, but I’m slowly coming into my own and slowly I know that I will truly know what’s right for me and truly know where I stand. And, you know, hopefully we’ll be able to fully write and produce my book and truly get my full story out there as it is a very authentic and original one. You know, I I do believe that there is no other story like mine.

[00:34:41] We’re going to touch a new book in a bid. But I want to ask you, do you find it overwhelming being the poster child for the trans community?

[00:34:49] I do. I mean, it’s kind of like, where do I start? You know, and then there’s so many other people I feel ahead of me like the girls and posed and all these women that just seemed so much higher than me.

[00:35:04] You know, and and serve as a inspiration for me to somehow, you know, be like that one day. But something that I just have to, you know, wake up and be so grateful for. Is that like, you know, we have trans people like on TV and being given awards and Emmys. And yes, we do also have those that are being killed and having their lives taken away just simply because they are trends and they will never make it to a red carpet or to maybe success that it looks like for for me and some of my other brothers and sisters how ever I have to be happy for us, because there’s a definite movement going on here and there. A definite. You know, it’s a slow one and sometimes, you know, it definitely seems like we’re not being heard. But I I definitely think we are. And yes, I feel overwhelmed. And yes, sometimes I feel like I missed the mark and sometimes I feel like I let my community down by being a shady drag queen on TV. But, you know, I can’t beat myself up for me being me and. I guess being the first one to kind of step foot into that space as a woman, as I think, you know, any of my sisters, you know, including Carmen and Kylie and Gigi and, you know, even Kenya and.

[00:36:45] Yeah, I can only merino that, you know, stepping into that stepping into two drag spaces as a trans woman. You just gotta kind of take a deep breath and just know who you are because it’s so easy for people to tell you who you are. You know, things like drag. Just creates so much for people and brings so many answers. I feel like it’s a safe playground for people to kind of experiment with sexuality, with gender, with their body image, with no hair colour and skin tone and just everything.

[00:37:31] We can see that you’re getting quite emotional about this topic. But sometimes I think because Yoji are gone, you can’t because you put yourself on a platform by your office. You see, like Laverne Cox, like you put her up there. But for us to view you, someone who’s only outside perspective, I think sometimes you might forget the work that you’ve done. No. And and gone. You’ve led such an incredible movement, like you said, being the first open transgender woman on an Emmy winning show. You’ve done so much for the community. And we just want to thank you on behalf of everyone who is listening and you’ve honestly have put your heart. We can see your passion even on your YouTube Web series. You know, you’re using your social platforms to create awareness even when you’re speaking with laganja. You open up about taking, you know, your hormone replacement therapy and it’s it’s self and you it changed you. And I had no idea what was like being a transgender person until I watched your videos, until I did my research and seeing, you know, your compassion for the community. It just really brings something so different, but something so authentic and so special to the table.

[00:38:40] And that’s why I think, you know, in a way, I feel like I got used by this show and I feel like drag race maybe kind of. Yeah. Like used me, you know, but. I guess at the end of the day, it’s like I I I can still go to sleep knowing that I that I was this and that I did do this for poor people out there. And, you know, it would just you would just think that it would be nice, you know, to hear those kinds of words from people that I don’t know are just of authority or should be thankful.

[00:39:23] But I guess the lesson there is to never do things, expecting anything in return, not even a thank you. Not even a pat on the back and not even one hundred thousand dollars or not even a nice. You look good, girl, you know, because that’s kind of all I wanted from her was like, can’t she at least say, tell me I look fishy or like some like nothing.

[00:39:50] So, yeah. And I love to be glamorous, but I also like to get to the point, as I think most people know about me, it’s like I like the frills in life. But I’m also very like, let’s get to the point. I guess you wouldn’t know that because I do talk a lot.

[00:40:10] I’m also working on that as well.

[00:40:14] Even seeing you transition’s the person who you were back when Season 6 and who you are now. It’s so different. Like even what you you on minute exchange show. It’s like you’ve come from a space where you can throw the bitchy, you shadiest comments with somebody. But now it’s you hold yourself with so much grace. Yes. Say you’re more mature or is it mostly because of fun to transitioning, which has kind of helped you into this new womanhood that you are today?

[00:40:46] I just think I’m I’m so much more a hole with myself now that, you know, a lot of my demons and negativity both for like from Season 6 and forward, really, I think traced back to my own insecurities. You know, and when you’re insecure about yourself for about certain things, you know, you kind of react. You buy it back and you just you fight back with negativity, with fear and with anger. I guess I’m no longer scared. I am no longer scared of what people have to say, what people’s ideas or expectations are of me. I’m not scared of people rejecting me. I’m not scared of people telling me no. And that’s very powerful.

[00:41:38] You know, that allows you to kind of walk into any conversation or to any situation and either be complimented, insulted or shoved or pushed. And you just simply, you know, be able to react in the slightest way possible because you’re whole inside. And, you know, this is also something that Alaska taught me while on tour, too, because I do get quite worked up, like when we’re on tours and stuff like that, our shows or people aren’t moving as quite as swiftly and properly and just quickly as they should. You know, I I’m that queen that kind of gets bent out of shape and will kind of lose her shit quickly.

[00:42:26] And that’s me in the morning when I think a I mean anybody.

[00:42:31] Right. And Queen’s like Alaska love God. And they’re just so like call and patient.

[00:42:41] And so, you know, like Alaska told me, she’s like, why am I going to get myself worked up over somebody else either not doing a good job or being late or not doing something good enough? You know, all I can do is do my best of job and be prepared and be on time and be me. And I just try to, you know, let things literally like roll off my back. What is that thing? Duck water off a duck’s back.

[00:43:12] Girl, I haven’t heard of that one before. That from men’s jeans. They’re off a duck’s back. Oh, yeah. Non-plussed jinx before we head off.

[00:43:24] We just have some quick wrap up questions that we ask every guest with our first question. What is one thing that you have to do every day, no matter how busy you are?

[00:43:34] I have to wash my face and put my supervisor on. Yes.

[00:43:39] No matter how busy I am, I have to wash my face because I don’t know.

[00:43:44] I just I’m obsessed with skin care. And I think it takes two seconds and literally makes you feel so much better self and good.

[00:43:52] You don’t do like the nine step or 10 step cream beauty skin.

[00:43:56] I mean, when I can. Yeah, but in a rush. In a hurry. Ali’s cleanse your face and moisturize.

[00:44:03] And Gary, the second question is what’s the guilty pleasure that most people don’t know about? A guilty pleasure that most people don’t know about.

[00:44:16] When I’m single, I like to go on Greineder.

[00:44:18] I do. I think that a guilty pleasure. I think a lot of people have that guilty pleasure. Even if you’re not single, I think you’re right. Only when she thinks.

[00:44:30] Although she does think she’s committed. Yes. All right. The last question we have is, is there a person who is no longer with us today that you wish you could follow and social media dead, dead or alive, I guess.

[00:44:47] Who doesn’t have social me that you wish you would follow that for me?

[00:44:51] That was a follow, Selena. Oh, yes. I agree fully. And I feel like her life would have just been so cute. And just so I don’t know.

[00:45:05] Latina. And yes, she would be bringing so much. I don’t know. Culture. And then what? She’s you know, she’s the Latin.

[00:45:14] Quick question. What are your thoughts on J.Lo?

[00:45:20] Why? Because you. You know, you’re Queen Selina. So just just wanted to know. I thought maybe you might have seen the video when I met J.Lo and how she laughed at me. Oh, no, I didn’t. What happened then? But do you go on?

[00:45:35] Well, why love J.Lo? And to be quite honest. She’s like one of my top five diva. But I actually met her here in L.A. for the premiere of Hustler’s.

[00:45:48] That’s really what it says.

[00:45:49] And with Khadi and. I just have to be honest, she just was not the nicest person.

[00:45:58] I mean, yeah.

[00:46:00] I don’t know if maybe I like was giving too much and like feeling my oats up on the stripper pole. It was like, who is this bitch? Chides me and her was their heel. Yeah. Like there’s literally a video.

[00:46:15] I don’t know that I posted that. Maybe I’ll do a blog.

[00:46:18] Should I do a blog about it soon. Cause for me. Right.

[00:46:23] The reason. Because since you mentioned Selena. You know she is a queen. But it’s so sad that she passed so young and then suddenly gaoler kind of came out of nowhere and kind of took that crown, you know what I mean?

[00:46:34] And she’s back in her early 2000. She’s releasing songs and the voice isn’t even heard. And it just that bothers me as a song from a shady right 10 song.

[00:46:46] Now I understand.

[00:46:47] So you feel like she took lead storyline and ran with it?

[00:46:51] I do. But I think it was more so. Oh, I can’t even say that. I think it was maybe her managements who kind of show it.

[00:46:57] I do. But my question always is like where? Like Selena is making money. So like, where’s that money going? Yeah, definitely.

[00:47:08] There you got guy for Lena emerge. They got Celine amusia like going to her family. I don’t know.

[00:47:14] But, you know, at the end of the day, it’s like, who else want to play this role?

[00:47:18] Like, think about how many people know about Selena because of J-Lo and the movie and not even in our herself.

[00:47:28] Yeah. Like most people like.

[00:47:32] Girl up in the club and like all these, like, you know, non-Latino people. They were like, oh. Selena, you know, Selena was a real person, you know, but they just know like BBT bum-bum and stuff like.

[00:47:50] But last question, most important vote. How can people follow you?

[00:47:55] People can follow me, of course, on Instagram at G-A.

[00:47:58] Underscore gone on Twitter, if you like.

[00:48:02] Fun little quick catch phrases at G-A Gun. Do you have your shady side still or has that kind of stuff, too? I don’t know.

[00:48:12] I’m trying to bring it back, so I’m trying to kind of now turn that shade towards like product reviews and things like that.

[00:48:25] They’ll kill you. Yeah.

[00:48:27] Because I think, you know, it’s yeah, it’s time for me to start being still honest and shady about things that need to be honest and shady told about. But it is time for me to give people the benefit of the doubt. And, you know, just kind of be nicer to people here, people out and just finally be more understood and truly let my true colours shine through.

[00:48:59] And that’s all gonna come out in the book. So what is what’s the plan, the book, when it’s coming out?

[00:49:06] So to be honest, I’m not exactly sure because I originally wanted the book to be me and my mother’s story together. I was kind of going to simulate our lives as women. Me being trends and her being biological woman, but her being a mom and me being the daughter and kind of like the parallels in our lives and you know, how we both experienced so much change, but how it’s so different and so similar. But as of right now, my mother is unfortunately not doing the very best. So I’m not exactly sure when we will be able to write this book. So I might have to come out with my own book first, but I definitely would like to aim for next year. I’m going to be putting together a one woman show first that I should be launching actually in Mexico in February. I’m going to start there because that is where I have my largest fan base and kind of just tell me story. It’ll be most likely in Spanish or Spanglish, but if that does well, I definitely anticipate on doing an English version and hopefully being able to tour and making it over there down under and in the UK and everywhere else.

[00:50:33] I mean, I don’t know if you guys actually know that because you guys are in Australia, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[00:50:39] I don’t know if you guys know this, but Loki Australia is like one of my most favourite countries to visit.

[00:50:47] Really? Do you like about Australia?

[00:50:50] I mean, I can’t even lie.

[00:50:51] I love the man I just love, like gorgeous, tan, tattooed surfer, a body.

[00:51:00] So I love that. And I just love the atmosphere. It feels so clean and just so positive. And the restaurants are so cunty, gorgeous. So they’re so high. And there’s not that. And that’s not that many people there. I feel like it’s not that overcrowded. So I like that also.

[00:51:19] And the track community here is is it hasn’t it’s all made big. So big and.

[00:51:25] Yeah. So there’s any drag promoters listening to this literally. Please bring me down. Let me do my one woman show. I love Australia.

[00:51:35] You should definitely do a one woman show. I honestly write a lot of people coming to your show. Trust me. Oh, my God. I would love to.

[00:51:44] We’re definitely going to be messaging some tool promoters off right after this.

[00:51:48] Feel so bad for sugar daddies or just dried blood benefit? Like I’m totally open for anything off the down under those lovely chatting to you and we are coming to see you so much so. We love them. Thank you so much. You’re welcome. I hope these guys to be entertaining and just overall absolutely thickening.

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